"Water in Gasoil" documentary on water injection, car manufacturers know!

[alaniesse]

On a mixture of 75% water and 25% petrol, I cannot say that it lowers consumption by 20%, then that there is substantially the same power.

We have to be realistic.

Anyway, this documentary will only harp on the same things.

4 years ago, in 2009 neither Chistophe, nor any of the elders came to see the engine working.
It was a set of important improvements which made evolve and correct the design flaws of the pantone system.

You sent a message, to restart the forums... in fact nothing has changed.

Continue in your habits.

[Other]

Hello

On a mixture of 75% water and 25% petrol, I cannot say that it lowers consumption by 20%, then that there is substantially the same power.

There is a great difference in water doping on a diesel and in panton function with fuel on a petrol engine.

The use of a bubbler is too hard on the calculation of consumption

When you talk about 75% water and 20% gasoline, is that all of these liquids pass through the engine?
liquids are sent separately in the engine or are mixed?

I tried a perforated rod, as in your assemblies according to your documentation on the small panton test engine, not noticeable difference with other smooth stainless steel rod.
the test was done by running a gasoline engine without water with red fuel oil for domestic heating and also a mixture alcohol water I never succeeded with a mixture water alcohol exceed 35% water with a mini-carburetor.
I'm not saying it's impossible, but I can't do it.
What I noticed in the engine panton test which drives a generator at equal power, supply with pure alcohol, then with a mixture of water and alcohol, the reduction increases with a small percentage of water, exceed this percentage, if the calculation takes this approximately the same amount of alcohol. and with a high percentage of water consumption increases and if you try with more water the engine has difficulty in running.

Andre

[alaniesse]

Hello André

The months pass, the years pass.

I told you there was a protocol to follow.
No injection
No modified carburetor.

The only way for this system is a vacuum bubbler, a tornado nebulizer, a schaubberger bubbler.

It's half the system.
Yes the liquid composed mainly of water at 75% and the gasoline at 25%, form a white liquid with bubbles, it is the lightest part which leaves towards the reactor.

the movement of the cylinders, causes suction, which will create depression, and it is this depression will create tornado.

The start is sharp because you have to start with petrol on the prototype. then little by little passed over the nebulleur.
The exhaust must heat up.
Arrived at a time we close the fuel supply and the engine is powered only by the bubbler.

As I told you walls between central bar and 1mm outer tube.
Use of steel, not stainless steel.

drilling the central bar by turning it counterclockwise

We can make the holes in the bar with a titanium or other forest.
Once the bar has operated in the reactor, several shades, it will no longer be possible to pierce it with a titanium forest.

I started to put the photos on: conspirovniscience
http://www.conspirovniscience.com

At the time, the inventor of pantone improvement, told me not to push the share of water to more than 75%.
That's what i explained
(first doping stage)
doping with misting

(second doping stage)
press water electrolysis

I know André, that you have worked a lot on the engines, that you practice with small planes in Canada. I have a lot of respect for your work.
what you did on the mercedes and the others is very good.
Yours.

[Other]

Hello



The rod is made of ordinary steel and tested on a small Panton assembly which runs on fuel, either fuel or alcohol, or fuel oil with the addition of water and also tested with a standard water bubbler with petrol.
Either I'm missing details, or did I make the holes wrong? but compared to an ordinary smooth stem not noticed much difference.
I am open to all modifications, but it takes a lot of time to do the tests and precise measurements.

measurement with a single water and fuel bubbler lacks rigor a measurement with two separate water and fuel bubbler gives more precision.
as for the nebulizers, it takes several to have an amount of water necessary for the test.
I looked at your posts, I can not understand the function of two systems the nebulizer and bubbler simultaneously.
neither if it is water doping or a full Panton walk
For water doping over the years, the steel rod eventually oxidized
To make a test with more or less precise controllable measurements, you need a generator assembly with voltage amperage measurement (constant charge) then consume a quantity of fuel, a quantity of water and time the engine running time. a consumption of 500 ml or 1 liter of fuel depending on the size of the engine, is sufficient for a test
After we repeat the tests with different rods different fuels more or less water ect ... it takes months to run a small engine and the neighbors are tanned to hear the small engine running ..

Obviously the small experimenters with reduced means are not in a laboratory of engine manufacturer with very precise measures installed which allows to detect the slightest variation. But we proceed by comparison we can see if there is a notable difference.

Try to quantify your fuel water consumption and engine power (load) to get an idea of ​​size
For engine power without having a generator or a dynamometer this will be difficult to assess.
With a bubbler fuel and water mixed you can not completely empty the bubbler and what remains at the bottom no idea of ​​its composition if it is just dirty water with a trace of fuel?

Andre

[alaniesse]

The stem is fine.
but it's 50% of the whole.
It's a full house.
Once hot, everything goes through the tornado nebulleur
Starting on gasoline then passing by the tornado nebulleur.
There is only one and the 75,25 mixture is made before starting.

[Flytox]

Hello alaniesse

On a mixture of 75% water and 25% petrol, I cannot say that it lowers consumption by 20%, then that there is substantially the same power.

Clearly what does it do? How do you calculate your consumption at equal power with a reservoir which contains 75% water and 25% gasoline? How long does it take / liters of petrol to mix with water do you break down?

We have to be realistic.

Anyway, this documentary will only harp on the same things.

What I rehash is that you advertise a lot and never show anything concrete / complete, photos of original achievements, test results ..... We would like you to go from the Imagined Pantone to the real Pantone ....

4 years ago, in 2009 neither Chistophe, nor any of the elders came to see the engine working.
It was a set of important improvements which made evolve and correct the design flaws of the pantone system.

You can boast that you were not very persuasive, taken seriously.

[alaniesse]

The video of what happened in Paris exists, that day exists.

A way to see what could have been seen and understood at the time.

No big deal, I said I am continuing on conspirovniscience.
Here, it's over.
I came back, following the emails from Christophe asking to give back passage and pep to the Forum.
There's nothing new.

It's just for André because he tried to reproduce and that I appreciate what he has done for years.

He will find the photos of the nebulleur, of the head and the head system, of the plan.

The rest is pantone, full pantone.
Not complicated
Good continuation

[llopdoro]

Good morning or good evening,

I just registered on this forum because water doping interests me the most. I own a Jeep Grand Cherokee with a 3.0 CRD diesel engine from Mercedes-Benz and have driven approximately 90.000 km.

From the start, I have been using a high-performance synthetic oil which only freezes at -63 ° C, I never change oil changes, the engine hardly pollutes and I only have to add lubricant from time to time. dam of the dealers who sabotaged my vehicle when I wanted to do the maintenance of 50.000 km to ..... 60.000. Result = I will no longer set foot there and find the parts that the "mechanics" have broken in front of me!
Admittedly, it consumes less - it must be said that in my region, there are still roads where you can feel that there are horses in the engine, there are no radars as on the axes to big crowds where it is a martyrdom to drive with a powerful car, even in diesel.

Average consumption is around 13 l / 100 km and I would like to be able to reduce it. I can equip the vehicle with a bypass filter which filters to a tenth of a micron which is supplied by the brand of lubricants as a kit to reduce pollution, corrosion and wear of the engine parts, but like the filters of Origin are today very efficient, I did not consider it useful to have this work done. I have known water doping for years, at least 45 years, because it was already used in the USA, especially on Corvairs, but is it really effective? I am boasted of small electronic boxes which are sold at astronomical prices ...

If I had the means, I would change Jeep, the new Grand Cherokee is equipped with a FUEL SAVER which reduces fuel consumption depending on the driver's driving, which suits me a lot because when I was driving big Buicks of 7,4, 455 L of displacement (19 Cu In), I consumed "only" 30 liters when an experienced dealer reached or even exceeded 3 liters ... I was also tempted by the Fisker, but it seems that the box is on the edge of bankruptcy. Today there are XNUMX interesting electric car brands because they have a valid range and the Tesla is not among them hoping the prices will be affordable.

I await your advice because it seems to me that this is not a type of vehicle that has been studied in your lines so far.

Thank you in advance,

[llopdoro]

the system recommended by "alaniesse" strangely reminds me of a steamer.

[moinsdewatt]

13 l to 100.

There are really kicks in the ass that get lost.