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Water injection in thermal engines and the famous "pantone engine". General informations. Press clippings and videos. Understanding and scientific explanations on the injection of water into engines: ideas for assemblies, studies, physico-chemical analyzes.
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by Cuicui » 05/11/05, 09:26

Why does the Pantone reactor work well in depression and badly in overpressure?
Is it because in depression the water passes into the gaseous state at a lower temperature, and therefore has less chance of arriving at the reactors in the form of vapor (droplets in suspension) whose transformation in the state gaseous, which consumes a lot of heat, affects the good efficiency of the reactor?
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by khartoum » 05/11/05, 22:26

Andre wrote:Hello reply to kartoum
I believe that for a small engine like yours it would be wiser to make a single reactor, unless you like complicated things because multiple reactors is a little more work if you are not very equipped and that the time you have available is tight, for the little difference that it gives two reactors ... As we say pilot jargon when you pilot a twin-engine you have two troubles to manage, better a good single-engine, which works well.
For a 150mm long water doping it is sufficient air gap 1,5mm maximum, and channels the heat of the exhaust well on the reactor, especially on a turbo there is no leftover, so plant your reactor in the exhaust pipe, and to hell with the restriction, it's a necessary evil for the Panton.
It seems to me that it makes a jolt that you speak about your editing?
it’s time for you to take action .. send it off .. once the reactor is installed, you will have plenty of time to try a bubbler, a carburetor or a wick pot (sponge) like the one I want to improve.

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Yes indeed, I've been talking about my reactor for a while :D (but it was for a 1400 petrol before :D but it will be done, otherwise I will tell Econologie to delete my subject)
But here I am going to see to have it made by a locksmith in stainless steel 310 with 2 elbows to easily mount it to the solder (or to the oxy-acetylene of a dad from my father) by making a slit on the side of my exhaust directly at the exit of the turbo.
Donate according to your advice, I go on a reactor cut straight at the inlet and pointed at the outlet 150 mm long, 18 mm in diameter for the rod and 20/21 mm inside for the tube.
Regarding the restriction, this is not a big deal because this engine is mounted on other vehicles with a much smaller pot diameter and a damn oxidation pot !!!


For the bubbler I decided firmly, for lack of space, to mount it under the car with the exhaust pipe that goes inside and the filling in the passenger compartment. It will be equivalent to an assembly of the "tractor 22" type and all its little brothers ...

I would like to experiment with bubbling by exhaust gas, so the question of cuicui interests me also strongly ...

In any case thank you again :)

Ps: the advantage of this engine is that you can drive with an assembly in progress (therefore a drilled pot) since behind the turbo the engine noise is muffled;)
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by Kedar » 07/11/05, 20:52

Bonsoir
for my part I think that depression is necessary to have a good "plasma" a relative vacuum will always be good to favor the mini flashes.
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by Other » 09/11/05, 22:44

Hello, Cedard
The depression and especially necessary to increase the velocity of the microdrops between the rod and the reactor, it is for this reason that the conduits must be sufficiently dimensioned and not too long, before and after the reactor, I do not know if that makes plasma or lightning? , I didn’t like to see it, but I know that it has to circulate quickly in this reactor to be functional.
It looks like the other forum , the same format!
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by Christophe » 09/11/05, 23:03

Andre wrote:Hello, Cedard
It looks like the other forum , the same format!
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:)

Well, it was a bit made for ... in order to disturb the regulars the least! I work on design ... : Wink:
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by ange » 25/11/05, 22:58

IMHO the Restriction is necessary for the proper functioning of the reactor. But it becomes annoying for maximum power or close to maximum, generates pollution, etc.

And if you simply add a RELEASE VALVE IN THE PANTONE SYSTEM.

For a turbo dimension calculation it is exactly the same.
The large turbo does not hang at the bottom and the small will have an overload at high speed.

So, in summary: I calculate my reactor for which it hangs in town so the maximum restriction to the exhaust, and not to lose power in the middle and at the top I install a valve.

It is useless to overheat the reactor.
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by Other » 26/11/05, 00:27

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Hello,
For the dimension you are right it is better that it is too small than too large it is a matter of having enough heat at the intermediate regime.
When overheating on an automobile (turbodiesel) I never liked this happiness and never heard, on a diesel car someone complaining that it was getting too hot.
In terms of heat volume, this is not what is lacking, but compared to a petrol engine, there is more than 200c less.
Unless you do a post combustion in the rear of the turbo like military aircraft, the reactor will have all the heat you want.
If it gets too hot, there is always a way to circulate more humid air by increasing the vacuum to suck more into the reactor.
I made an important restiction by channeling the heat around the reactor, this did not affect the maximum speed of the vehicle, when I take it al, water, a little less vigorous at acceleration, and if it keeps it open at melts over a longer distance the water temperature of the engine increases (the radiator does not provide) c, is the only drawback that I notice in the immediate.
When to burn the valves on a diesel it is rather exceptional.

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by Asgard bone tyr » 13/12/05, 15:16

Hello
An interesting point that I could see on the power bench on + protos, concerning this famous depression, is when forcing the admission of air to suck the gases, we lose power even if we gain torque. For me all prototypes where it is the engine that circulates the pantone circuit, can only make us lose power, so the little economy that it brings us, we lose it by the excess fuel consumption that the engine requires. : Wink:
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by Thierry22 » 20/02/07, 19:09

Hello everyone

I'm looking to install the pantone system on a Xsara diesel engine. it is in fact an educational test bench.
As soon as it is possible that someone sends me the precise plans of the assembly.
I also want to know the differences between the original pantone system and water doping, and which is the most suitable for me.

thank you in advance for your info.

another question for asgard os tyr:
Did you touch the setting of the injection pump when you fitted your R21 with the pantone system?
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by Asgard bone tyr » 21/02/07, 19:23

NO NO!!!
We touch nothing !!! neither at the pump nor at the injector!
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