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by bham » 07/06/07, 22:31

it starts to make oil stain !!
Good now will have to convince the Post.
I saw tonight at JT TF1 20h that the Post would train all the drivers (60000 factors!) Of the postal vehicles to a more economical driving which could allow a saving of 4 millions of € in fuel on 80 millions of € fuel costs per year.
I think that with a pantone + GV, they could do even more economy, and significantly reduce pollution. As seen the car park, it would be a great result.
If they are thinking about fuel economy, they are perhaps ripe to hear a little more "daring" speech and to follow Vitry's example.
It's your turn to play Christophe.
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by elephant » 07/06/07, 22:43

La Poste is doing well, of course, but could do better: a number of their vehicles could be replaced by electric vehicles.
In 1999, the Wavre Post Office (Walloon Brabant, Belgium) had an electric kangoo to serve its 2 industrial zones. This is the typical kind of application for this kind of vehicles.
And we would replace their noisy mopeds with electric scooters (I have a customer who has one: 1000 to 1500 euros depending on version)
(That said, I find that my client does not push his reasoning far enough: his scooter is used to go for his morning jog in the forest of Soignes - Brussels suburbs - while he lives in the neighborhood of the European communities. he not running to the forest of Soignes ???) :D
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by Christophe » 07/06/07, 22:50

elephant wrote:La Poste is doing well, of course, but could do better: a number of their vehicles could be replaced by electric vehicles.


Oh yeah? And do you know the price of a current electric vehicle (battery included?)? Never "profitable" neither for the wallet nor for the environment ...

When the builders stop taking people for idiots and design a REAL electric car (ie on a different base than a thermal car), maybe that will change ...
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by Christophe » 07/06/07, 22:52

bham wrote:It's your turn to play Christophe.


Okay tomorrow I call Juppé : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
(good without laughing I do not really see what we can do in this case)
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by elephant » 07/06/07, 23:23

Christopher said:

When the builders stop taking people for idiots and will design a REAL electric car (ie on a different base than a thermal car), maybe that will change ...


1) get us at least the specifications ...
what characteristics would you like a "real" electric car to have compared to a current one, practical, comfortable, relatively resistant to shocks
2) part of the problem is that the "platform" has amortized the cost of studies and approvals: modifying a partner or a kangoo means a few engineers and a few technicians for 6 months, no more.

and anyway, I respectfully remind you that Rome was not made in a day :D
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by PITMIX » 07/06/07, 23:25

Christophe wrote:(good without laughing I do not really see what we can do in this case)


You have to keep doing what you do. That is to say, to talk about you and the reactor.
It is the stuffing of skull that finally convince.
Look, it's already working with ecology.
Soon people will be ready to pay an ecological tax.
The government is making people pollute so they can better pass the pill a new tax on I do not know what.
The car sticker for example. It will eventually come back as a green tax : Evil:
Ah yes sure after that the taxed car, it will pollute really less : Evil: .
But if thanks to the reactor we can avoid that, it's pretty good.
Problem, we must convince many more people.

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by PITMIX » 07/06/07, 23:27

elephant wrote:
1) get us at least the specifications ...


Me the Tango she fits me well :P

http://www.moteurnature.com/Tango.php
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by gegyx » 07/06/07, 23:36

For the post office which is equipped with electric vehicles:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/la-poste-s ... t3493.html

She does not intend to stop there, quads, pedelecs, .and maybe soon 10000 vehicles on 65000 ...
(And in 2008, the "electric chair" for a large part of its staff ... : Evil: )
http://www.journalauto.com/infos/articl ... ticle=4616
It is bidding for electric vehicles, but with the complete maintenance of these vehicles.
It's a way, to have a wholesale price, to get rid of the maintenance, the pollution inerante, to obtain a label of green business, and to make a green advertising soon that will invade our daily life.


As for the huge fleet of La Poste, now, I remind you that maintenance is no longer done by PTT garages, since they have been removed.
Vehicles are bought new, maintained by private garages, and often replaced by distribution companies. This rotation of vehicles may be growth for the automotive industry, but at the expense of ecological waste.

All that to say, that if the automobile industry does not sell its new vehicles with a GV or Pantone integrated system (and it does not take the way), it is not La Poste that will make the modification of the vehicles of series...
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by elephant » 07/06/07, 23:48

Well, Pitmix, let's stay serious:

1) ecological tax: well, finally, France is right in having overtaxed the fuel instead of imposing a sticker: you pay for what you consume, on the other hand, if a couple of pensioners has kept a relatively big car, but rolls little, so much the better. And if that makes some think about the opportunity of a trip so much better too.

2) tango, blah ... why do you think some people have a minivan? only for the show?

And I also think that we have to think about other subjects: for years, my wife and I have done a lot to provide our children with elite training in their respective fields. Behavior that some will taxecological incivism, but which gave its fruits. Is it our fault that there are so few "good schools", is it our fault that there is so little public transport? Are we guilty if, having received a "good education", we want our very gifted children to keep their heads above water? We could extend this reflection further: if my Brussels customers ask me (and pay) to travel 140 km per day to install them, it's because they have a reason, right?
We could make a new topic on this theme, if someone had an idea for the title.
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by bham » 08/06/07, 09:53

Christophe wrote:
bham wrote:It's your turn to play Christophe.

(good without laughing I do not really see what we can do in this case)


Ben I think it would be good to question the good manager of the Post, responsible for transport or charges inherent in fuels or the proper management of the car park, ... etc. The hardest thing is to find the right interlocutor, but as long as there is still an atmosphere of administration, it must be possible to find the right person (s).
On the other hand, Gegyx cooled me a little by saying:
Gegyx wrote:As for the huge fleet of La Poste, now, I remind you that maintenance is no longer done by PTT garages, since they have been removed.
Vehicles are bought new, maintained by private garages, and often replaced by distribution companies. This rotation of vehicles may be growth for the automotive industry, but at the expense of ecological waste.

And that complicates the thing since it uses vehicles that are no longer directly to her. As long as La Poste was in the administration, we did not care about the good management of the costs and now that it is privatizing slowly, it is chasing waste. It is true that having vehicles in rotation, so always recent, limits the costly and penalizing repair problems for the postal service. And in addition it allows to have cars less and less greedy fuels. But the problem remains the fuel station, very cumbersome to manage. So, if the good manager could be convinced, he could propose a life-size test, following the example of Vitry, first on some vehicles and then on the whole. For that, it is enough just to anticipate the modification during the acquisition of new vehicles. It's not easy but it's probably feasible.
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