Miraclean = Pantone scam in sight ?! Warning

Water injection in thermal engines and the famous "pantone engine". General informations. Press clippings and videos. Understanding and scientific explanations on the injection of water into engines: ideas for assemblies, studies, physico-chemical analyzes.
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by quartz » 15/06/09, 20:12

Good evening everyone, :D

it scraps hard here, I apologize, because I am behind this post by Gegyx interposed.

I'm on the go for more information, but it's true that it's hard to come,
This is not in the favor of the inventor.
I do have elements that say that,
the next demo will be made with the exhaust outlet looped over the inlet.
To make it clear that what comes out contains enough oxygen to act as an oxidizer.
Plus Veritas and other certifications.
While waiting for this news, if it arrives, I will refrain from any other comments.

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by Christophe » 15/06/09, 20:22

quartz wrote:I do have elements that say that,
the next demo will be made with the exhaust outlet looped over the inlet.


That I did during my PFE in 2001 engine idling for 20 minutes in a row!

The teachers did not want me to talk about it ... because a priori they were not able to explain it.

However, the explanation is very simple: the CO2 dissolves in the bubbling water until saturation and the O2 is that contained in the air of the circuit: the longer we wait, the more the regime drops because the CO2 rate increases ! The bigger your bubbler, the longer you can wow the gallery!

From a moment the engine stops and impossible to restart ... without changing the bubbling water so put a little O2 back into the circuit and transfer the CO2 that has reached saturation into the water and then it starts again directly ... I could / should have measured the pH of the water (directly linked to its "CO2" content) but I did not have the opportunity, I am convinced that the pH of the "bubbled water" " dropped!

Otherwise, I would remind you that the engineering school teachers are all considered to be teacher-researchers and therefore have a research doctorate ... it's nice, huh? : Cheesy:
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by Other » 16/06/09, 05:26

Hello

What discussions for ?? after reading the PDF you learn absolutely nothing .. from the seller's language

Those who have made small full panton assemblies and operated with different fuels and tried to operate it with a LITTLE water, have understood that water does not have much effect.
I'm not talking about a bubbler in 100% panton, we can't measure anything because of the residues that remain in the bubbler and which are mainly water, the one we put initially and the one that the exhaust condenses in the bubbler. ,
To properly measure consumption
The simple way is to operate a full panton with a small carburetor of reduced model, to operate it in alcohol with a water mixture, very quickly we notice that the yield drops when we increase the water consumption, and that exceeded a certain% of water the engine does not function any more
At 35% water it is painful to run an engine without load
80% ???

The little panton is on a generator, charged on lights with a measure of amperage and voltage, it is made to consume 0,5 liter of fuel is timed, until the fuel runs out, then we repeat the operation with mixtures which contains more of water .. We learn that water at a low dose improves the yield, but as soon as we try to pass too much water the yield drops ..
And in a doping with water we make the same observation too much water decrease in yield ..
You have to stop thinking that the engines are running on water, the right amount of water improves the engine's performance, that's all.

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by ange9546 » 17/06/09, 21:49

Hi everybody,

Small question ... Without leaving in supra scientific reasoning, it would still be necessary to ask this pseudo inventor why did he put 2 tanks of the same capacity when he is supposed to work with more water than fuel ... ??
For the moment I lean more (not to say I agree) to the arguments of André and Christophe ..
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by elephant » 17/06/09, 22:58

Welcome Angel 95 ...

Either it's purely aesthetic, or it's to show that water leaves faster than gasoline.
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by gegyx » 03/11/09, 23:17

“This generator runs on 80% water! "

An article from Nexus n ° 65 from Nov-Dec 09, page 102, 103, 104,
on "Biocombustion 2" (after "Miraclean"), by Jean-François Mirabella.
Patent disclosed in 24 months.
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by Christophe » 03/11/09, 23:22

Aaaah Nexus ... : Cry: : Cry: : Cry:
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by gegyx » 04/11/09, 21:12

econology was quoted in the bi-monthly article ...

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Death of Jean Francois Mirabella




by yannick » 03/05/10, 09:42

Hello,

For information :
We just learned of the death of Jean Francois Mirabella, the inventor of the Miraclean process.

He had good ideas with his cavitation reactor to make the fuel and water emulsion to run a generator.

Has anyone here already gone to work to try to replicate the experience?

info: http://www.enaos.net/P1220.aspx?IdPer=157496

Funeral: May 4, 2010
A blessing
Verargues de Verargues church, Tuesday 4 May at 14 p.m.


Best regards,
Yannick Van Doorne
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by Tagor » 03/05/10, 12:48

yannick wrote:Hello,

For information :
We just learned of the death of Jean Francois Mirabella, the inventor of the Miraclean process.

He had good ideas with his cavitation reactor to make the fuel and water emulsion to run a generator.

Has anyone here already gone to work to try to replicate the experience?

info: http://www.enaos.net/P1220.aspx?IdPer=157496

Funeral: May 4, 2010
A blessing
Verargues de Verargues church, Tuesday 4 May at 14 p.m.


Best regards,
Yannick Van Doorne


I am sincerely sorry for this brilliant researcher

can we know the origin of this death?
when he was to give a conference in Brazil in a few days?
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