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Water injection in thermal engines and the famous "pantone engine". General informations. Press clippings and videos. Understanding and scientific explanations on the injection of water into engines: ideas for assemblies, studies, physico-chemical analyzes.
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by Christophe » 05/03/07, 10:23

avogadro wrote:However there is a downside, this addition of water which creates micro explosions against the walls of the cylinder head seriously affects the life of the engine.


On what work-publication (s?) Do you base yourself to assert this?

There are at least 3 experimental observations on doped engines which would tender to think the opposite:
1) improved flexibility
2) less knocking
3) engine oil gets dirty less quickly.

So your statement may be true in the case of a spray of liquid water but not water "prepared or rather conditioned" through a "reactor" ...
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by avogadro » 05/03/07, 20:37

Yes, you're right,

but KIA these are all the same cars of € 20000 (for the ceed)

In the near future, a new market for cars will emerge, with disposable cars on the one hand <5000 € and "luxury" cars on the other, it is almost certain.

Regarding the quality of products from the Far East, it is the result of choice of proven and mature technologies unlike European manufacturers who integrate new products too quickly.

And very quickly new manufacturers will emerge with cars <5000 €: it is these cars that I wanted to talk about
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by david29 » 05/03/07, 20:37

Hello Avogadro, don't criticize Asians like that. French women have a lot to learn. As proof, Renault, who wants the next Laguna, which every happy owner can measure the very high degree of reliability (turbo, timing belt, window regulator motors .. I stop it because we can make a site) is as reliable that the TOYOTAs ... so Lexus don't talk about it ... who sold him his patent for the Hybrid engine to the European brands, Honda which will be the first to release a hydrogen car in 2008 ...

Renault will be much better the day they build cars and not F1

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by avogadro » 05/03/07, 21:06

I criticize the Asians who will sell disposable cars <5000 €

I admire the quality of the toyota kya mazda products ...

Renault F1 and Renault are 2 separate entities.

Renault will make quality by reducing the financial pressure on suppliers
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by avogadro » 05/03/07, 21:20

About your addition of water I will review my copy

In fact you just lack an anti micro pre-perforation (piston) and anti-freeze additive:

http://www.industrie.gouv.fr/energie/pe ... e_aqua.htm

Ah then one thing, forget this story of plasma, magnetization, synthesis ... because it will always make you laugh, note it's already ca

Do I really have to find a diesel, don't you have one to sell?
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by Other » 06/03/07, 03:29

Hello
And that it works, very likely: it is known to the ancients.

However there is a downside, this addition of water which creates micro explosions against the walls of the cylinder head seriously affects the life of the engine.


we've known this for a long time! on a diesel when there is a small leak in the cylinder head gasket and it drinks water with antifreeze no matter what, there are marks on the piston and the cleaning cylinder head quite energetic like projections of drops at the high pressure pump.
A panton and an injection of water is completely different,
the water entering the engine is in vapor or something very fine (I dare not use the term vapor which is very released in the sense of the word (like the word plug in English)
If it was that simple, make the engine eat water, it has been a long time that we would have the right recipe, with all the gain who climb pants and who persevere, it is that there is a success somewhere not always spectacular but if there was nothing it makes a shake that the process would be buried ...
me the first although I am not satisfied with the results, pa spar comparisons to the other pa rcomparison to what I get at the beginning and what I get now.
my modifications are more to have consistency in the results, better to get a small result always, than a big hit on 20% of the journey and nothing for the rest ...

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by Capt_Maloche » 06/03/07, 14:01

avogadro wrote:About your addition of water I will review my copy

In fact you just lack an anti micro pre-perforation (piston) and anti-freeze additive:

http://www.industrie.gouv.fr/energie/pe ... e_aqua.htm


That's right ! but nothing new since 1995 ...

Precisely, for the direct injection of water into the engine, I thought yesterday, that the best way would be, in demineralized liquid phase, to mix water with fuel just before injection.

Because steam has the big fault of taking the place of air, and necessarily to stall the engine if there is not enough oxygen to burn the fuel

otherwise, ultrasonic vaporizers seem to be the best compromise so as not to limit the supply of oxygen


Besides, have you ever noticed that your engine was faster in thick fog?
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