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by Christophe » 23/08/08, 13:23

Sorry I don't like being told bullshit ... studies have nothing to do with it ...

You can tell them elsewhere but not here ...

Your pitch (other people have already taken it out, don't worry!) About a lack of drinking water because of doping with water, it's the pitch of fools ... sorry there is no other words!

Or it is because you condense 1 (one) and 1 (one million) in your heads ...

Drinking water is a problem but doping is surely not a source of its lack ...
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by carburologue » 23/08/08, 13:41

So I'm a moron and a moron, that's what you say ... OK

what are you ???

A coarse blackbird as the confusion would say ...
Do you say "hello" when you come back somewhere ???

The era of dictators is over and everyone can have the opinion they want ... So you leave me in peace, for me doping with water is a problem for drinking water and I Respect my opinion or you are just a dictator ... you tell others and you, you have already seen yourself ...
I don't have to say like you sorry ... you come out of where to order me ...
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by Christophe » 23/08/08, 13:45

I'm not saying that you're a stupid I say what your argument about drinking water is debility.

There is a nuance that you should grasp.

I sometimes say bullshit, am i a with finished so far?
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by Other » 23/08/08, 16:46

Hello

First, drinking water that containing chlorine is less efficient than water from a ditch, or rainwater, or melted snow. (no need to put Perrier or gingham)

The water consumption in an engine is the equivalent that used in the puppy bowl only once.
When you have consumed a 4,5 liter you have driven, not bad, it's time to stop at a stopover to stretch your legs.


I live in a place where there are thousands of Lakes (not small ponds, lakes 1 km in diameter are not even on the maps) ¼ of all the fresh water on earth.
Listening to you sounds like you are living in the desert ..

Useless and futile discussion that polishes the bottom of the post
This kind of discussion that sickens the users of the system, because they teach us nothing less than NOTHING.
Tavern talk by a guy behind a counter talking about thirst in the desert while sipping a beer.

As Bucheron said in a post when we don't know the subject, we ask before talking. Or go see those who have montages, or make a montage and then you know what we're talking about.

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by Other » 28/08/08, 04:55

Hello
since we are on Vitry's post
Could we have results measured on a route, with some details consumption, water, diesel, kind of route?
with the usage time after 20 km what observation about the changes?


I give you my best results done today (I don't know if it's because of the water I took in (Lac au Sable) or the fact that I have better control over my water consumption versus the reactor temperature? I increased the water flow.
Before when I exceeded 1,2 liters of water per 100km the reactor outlet temperature dropped below 100c, with time or use I can pass more water while remaining above 120c at the outlet.

Country trip and crossing of villages and hill, speed 110kmh and decrease in the villages therefore not constant regime highway 3 stops

Distance ........................... 353km
water consumption ........... 6,2 liters
Fuel consumption ... 20,51 liters
per 100km ......................... 5,8 liters diesel (without petrol, acetone)
per 100km ........................... 1,76 liters of water
Temperature of water injected at reactor inlet 84c
Fluctuating reactor outlet temperature but often at 134c stable
Mercedes 300D automatic 5-cylinder engine 3 liters
Manufacturer's consumption 9 liters per 100km
44262 km with water doping.
I will increase the water consumption even more (the engine looks more vigorous in the dimensions)
Contrary to what is said loss of power, I feel that the torque has increased, enough, that having a longer bridge ration, we would make better gains, without sacrificing anything on the driving pleasure.
As the car is automatic transmission (not advantageous for fuel economy) on descents there is no question of driving neutral which would be detrimental for the transmission
the observations that I make on a hill, climb, followed by descent, doping with water is more advantageous than driving on flat roads (We use the system more during the climb period)
In descent it is relaxation of the accelerator and no injection of water. and alas of the engine brake.


Andre
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by coucou789456 » 28/08/08, 04:58

Good evening
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by bham » 28/08/08, 07:27

carburologue wrote:Finally, you did not understand anything engineer, if drinking water were to run out here, the third world would then have risen a few thousand km and your speech on doping would not hold at all, you will tell me it does not hold not standing;just look at the millions of people who use it. Where are they ???

I wonder if your doping is just a stupid utopia ???
In addition, let me doubt, I think that you drive like everyone else on petrol or diesel or even gas, so you're no better ecologically than me, so grow a little, if you don't understand that oil reigns supreme, I can't do anything about it. Life must be taken with philosophy and in the most flexible way possible otherwise by dint of being rigid we end up breaking ...

Hi carburologist, I see that you notice the low development of water doping: so why give us a nervous poop on the excessive use of drinking water in a doped engine, there is not yet a water shortage drinking linked to its use in engines, far from it. Do you use dry toilets or flush your excrement with ... potable water? Who is more rigid?
Even if your question may seem legitimate in the long term, it is, for the immediate future, completely devoid of interest on a post which aims only to relate experiences aiming to pollute less, which is already not so bad .

And by the way André hat for the consumption of the Mercedes!
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by Other » 28/08/08, 16:27

Hello

I took the water in this lake on the way back a 5 liters I do not think he will complain, it is clear and drinkable directly in the lake

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By passing a sign on the original road (orignial which crosses the road) it is as big as a Horse.

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by Lietseu » 28/08/08, 18:45

Christophe wrote:This is a good question, I would say for legal and technological reasons (material, average) ... but also mental: I was (am?) Not mature enough to get into this ...

Probably also a little lack of luck (no real oportunity) ...

But it's likely to change ...


In any case, I sign up to have my coach pantoned when you start!
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by Lietseu » 28/08/08, 19:46

bham wrote:
carburologue wrote:Finally, you did not understand anything engineer, if drinking water were to run out here, the third world would then have risen a few thousand km and your speech on doping would not hold at all, you will tell me it does not hold not standing;just look at the millions of people who use it. Where are they ???

I wonder if your doping is just a stupid utopia ???
In addition, let me doubt, I think that you drive like everyone else on petrol or diesel or even gas, so you're no better ecologically than me, so grow a little, if you don't understand that oil reigns supreme, I can't do anything about it. Life must be taken with philosophy and in the most flexible way possible otherwise by dint of being rigid we end up breaking ...

Hi carburologist, I see that you notice the low development of water doping: so why give us a nervous poop on the excessive use of drinking water in a doped engine, there is not yet a water shortage drinking linked to its use in engines, far from it. Do you use dry toilets or flush your excrement with ... potable water? Who is more rigid?
Even if your question may seem legitimate in the long term, it is, for the immediate future, completely devoid of interest on a post which aims only to relate experiences aiming to pollute less, which is already not so bad .

And by the way André hat for the consumption of the Mercedes!


So much from me André!

And about ..ologue, there are proctologists for people who have digestive problems at his age (he talks like my father who is 93 years old! But he has NEVER seen a procto, and he is very old-fashioned of birth) he should know that by treating my buddies of con he does nothing but pass for what he is ... a Trou..d..C… tologue : Evil:


The argument for flushing is excellent in fact, I am almost sure that it is the station (if I dare say so) that consumes the most perfectly potable water in thousands of homes around the world !!!
Even in India imagine, there are corners where the water flows from evening to morning in pure waste ... and God knows they do not have too much !!!

Example 1 washing with the dishwasher, consumes 15 liters of water / 3600 seconds on an old model; 10L / 3seconds CQFD

Are we going to return to the leaf of our Scout childhood?
Can you imagine all the people digging a hole in the garden or in the public park to cast a Bronze? What mess (this is the case to say) it would be?

Go on, we leave the fuel geniuses alone and expect positive and concrete things…

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