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by Managers » 16/09/05, 10:15

Story to get everyone to agree

JP Pierre Petit former research director at CNRS, specialist in fluid dynamics ... explains the system ... Pantone interests him - and suggests a name more appropriate for the functioning of the system
"electro-dynamic catalysis"

http://www.jp-petit.com/ENERGIES_DOUCES/no...t_petrolier.htm


EDF used a similar process
end of page: http://www.jp-petit.com/ENERGIES_DOUCES/mo...teur_a_eau1.htm

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Hello,

After reading your "article" on water motors and / or other "pantone" type processes (page moteur_a_eau1.htm on your site), I wanted to clarify that EDF used the injection of water in certain boilers to gas, among other things, at the Artix power plant (supplied by the LACQ complex - gas production - and dismantled some twenty years ago). This had the effect of increasing the efficiency of the boilers, reducing consumption and pollution.
The water was injected directly under high pressure.

William connes
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by Christophe » 16/09/05, 10:17

Interesting note but sorely lacking in technical details ... therefore not very "workable" ...

It's still missing a link to econology from the pages of Petit ... it's a shame :(
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by nofy » 17/09/05, 21:11

Good evening everyone,

Since a deputy launched anti 4x4 fashion, everyone has bounced on it to make political correct ....
I have a 4x4 and not least: Chevrolet Tahoe 5.7 of displacement, with LPG since 1996, declared at that time clean vehicle with its small sticker .... well I'm still very happy to drive with this vehicle!
So who on this site worried in 1996 about wanting to drive clean (my first LPG vehicle dates back to 1 !!!) and tell me what you mean by 1983x4: Audi 4x4, Toyotra RAV, Suzuki, Lada (bad example, more food than a truck), Pagero, Subaru, Army Jeep .................
Since one of our elected officials wanted to ban 4x4s in the city, all the so-called "green" are making hot throats by pointing their fingers, these big energy eaters with the pollution that goes with it ... .so let's think a little ... what are all these city buses that spit all black? ... what is the big limousine of 6 liters of displacement which passes? .... what are all these Boosters who smokes blue and who make a noise of hell? ... What is the pollution that we try to put on our backs by making us pay the maximum fuel? ... The car pollution is the easiest for a State, whatever it is, to recover money .... and meanwhile ...... While we have our noses on the exhaust pipes ... and well we are bombarded with "shit" every day above our heads !!! Do not walk with your head down any more and look at the sky, remembering to go for a little walk on the side of the "Chem Trail" .... and then drive in the car you like, Gépélisée et Pantonisée .... .

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by rpsantina » 17/09/05, 21:59

A little anecdote,

I know a very nice lady who has two hair for her daughters ...

Knowing that a horse weighs at least 600kg, what vehicles are used to walk this small city family during competitions ...

Ben apart from a 4x4, no vehicle legally allows an equivalent total rolling weight ...

Ok, it's far from the majority of cases, :P :P


on the other hand, for having spent my driving accompanied on the Toyota equivalent of space at the time, I understand that the high-pitched position of the 4x4 reassures all the drivers (it seems that they are in majority): rolleyes:: rolleyes:
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by Christophe » 18/09/05, 09:00

Nofy, I more or less agree with your anger ... Nevertheless it must be admitted that 4x4s (just like large sedans) are not vehicles adapted to the city ... and I do not consider that to be an injustice to "remove" them from the urban landscape. They are just NOT made for the city.

Obviously all the other "classic" vehicles also pollute ... And putting all the fault on the 4x4 is pure hypocrisy since they represent a very small% of the French fleet. But in France we like scapegoats ... It gives good conscience to "others" ...

FYI, the average occupancy rate of public transport is 35%. That is to say roughly the same as cars (1.2 to 1.6 / 5), it is therefore necessary to correct their emission figures per passenger.km taking this value into account ... I am not sure that public transport advocates do it ...

for having spent my driving accompanied on the Toyota equivalent of space at the time In the Lite Ace? I too did my driving in there ... For a 2 L petrol engine I think it was not consuming too much yet (10 to 12 L in town)
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by Superform » 19/09/05, 09:31

yeah family lite-ace me too !!

I love this kind of van where we are raised, we dominate, there's no nose and everything!

on current spaces / minivans they have given a nose, I like less!
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by A2E » 19/09/05, 11:17

nofy wrote:Good evening everyone,

Since a deputy launched anti 4x4 fashion, everyone has bounced on it to make political correct ....
I have a 4x4 and not least: Chevrolet Tahoe 5.7 of displacement, with LPG since 1996, declared at that time clean vehicle with its small sticker .... well I'm still very happy to drive with this vehicle!
So who on this site was worried in 1996 about wanting to drive clean (my first LPG vehicle dates back to 1 !!!) and tell me what you mean by 1983x4: Audi 4x4, Toyotra RAV, Suzuki, Lada (bad example, it eats more than a truck), Pagero, Subaru, Army Jeep .................
Since one of our elected officials wanted to ban 4x4s in the city, all the so-called "green" are making hot throats by pointing their fingers, these big energy eaters with the pollution that goes with it ... .so let's think a little ... what are all these city buses that spit all black? ... what is the big limousine of 6 liters of displacement which passes? .... what are all these Boosters who smokes blue and who make a noise of hell? ... What is the pollution that we try to put on our backs by making us pay the maximum fuel? ... The car pollution is the easiest for a State, whatever it is, to recover money .... and meanwhile ...... While we have our noses on the exhaust pipes ... and well we are bombarded with "shit" every day above our heads !!! Do not walk with your head down any more and look at the sky, remembering to go for a little walk on the side of the "Chem Trail" .... and then drive in the car you like, Gépélisée et Pantonisée .... .

Nofy (dream)

well, it's well known now: divide and conquer simply!
but of course 4x4s have become the bane of cities: there are not many so it is easier to target and and in fact to criticize!
it is true on the one hand it is dangerous especially with their bull bars but hey is there a real danger for urban traffic to drive in 4x4?
for these dear politicians: I have no illusions! political recovery simply by putting behind as many people as usual. what!
I am not fooled nor disappointed and I know what to expect from the shepherds and their flocks !!!! : blink:
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by Christophe » 19/09/05, 11:49

Good news, soon a 4x4 almost 100% French ... We can be proud of our manufacturers!

<a href='http://www.forum-peugeot.com/peugeot-4x4.html 'target =' _ blank '> http: // www.forum-peugeot.com/peugeot-4x4.html
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by skyfish » 19/09/05, 14:00

yep Nofy, me too fed up with the aggression towards 4X4: angry:
I am deeply green in the proper sense, not political;
I preferred to put solar panels on my roof than a lcd tv with home cinema and all that consumption company: angry:
I have been driving for over 10 years with LPG, so dangerous for the (very) average clampin that I am still alive: angry:
I think every day of how to stop this waste of energy that will cost us so dear soon, in every sense of the term: angry:
I regret this obsession with saving energy, whether in solar, pantone or other, we are trying to spend 30 to 35% instead of trying to make it accessible, financially, humanly, politically, ... quickly : angry:

I do not dream of returning to Cromagnon, electricity will never be done, even if nuclear!

and I just bought a nasty 4X4 Mitsu Pajero, 2.8l of displacement, it will be in its 12l on the road, much more in TT, and it will only be 6 in diesel, the rest in recycled frying oil , and the money saved will be put aside until the customs fine ... simple, right? I will ride relaxed and serene.

and you guys (uh, not everyone here, very few in fact: unsure :) what are they doing for the planet, the grumpy lesson-takers mad consumers of anything ???


sorry i did a long time, but it relieves :D
I'll keep you posted for the pantonized pajero: huh:
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by Other » 19/09/05, 17:35

Hello,
Stop feeling guilty,
The culprits are the big oil companies, the governments by their inactivities and their big civil servant structure, they control the media, he tells you what is good what is not, what you should eat, but more and more what does not sell, is withdrawn from the market, little by little it decides what you eat with what you ride, as long as you pay your taxes.
Also we do it this way, they put together a population group those who have bigger vehicles against those who have more recent more fashionable vehicles, but often times the big used vehicles, here are low paid people. , who cannot afford to buy a hybrid car and who ultimately uses them very little for lack of $.
But our governments know, they have all the statistics or go most of the fuel consumption, it does not speak of air transport, transport by cammoin, by boat which runs on big black fuel oil.
Our politicians who are elected for a short term, know that the world is tan and that they will not stay in place, so they obey the big guys who pull the strings will always be in place. Their Methods, make people feel guilty, if you have cancer it is because you smoke, it is because you do not eat properly ect .. if it has global warming, it is because you walk on Sunday by car, or by heating with wood. It’s sure that each of us has something to do, and I’m in a very bad position to give you lessons. in the place where I live water is abundant, (we don't even have a meter to check our consumption) we spend per capita on petroleum and water electric energy, probably at the top of the list of all countries , I always speak for the 7 million in Quebec,
But the real will to change will come when the population puts enough pressure on our governments, or when we are in a dead end. You just have to look at how the most powerful country has weathered the storm in New Orleans, to get an idea how politicians
react.
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