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Re: Fight against the Asian hornet in our gardens




by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 10/07/18, 01:03

izentrop wrote:DY version http://mielleriedesgraves.over-blog.com ... tique.html

The INRA researchers say it's bullshit, but hey, business is business
Contrary to popular belief, the focus on trapping the founders does not provide real solutions in the fight against the expansion and predation of the yellow-legged hornet.


If I understand the principle correctly, all the insects which enter through the cone and can come out through the holes in the grid have been saved. So large insects that venture there are eaten by hornets, as well as bees not fast enough. It's free massacre.
The quantity in the cagot is substantial. Afterwards it will be said that the insects disappear. : Shock:


Any trap captures indiscriminately .... whether it's this sophisticated thing or an overturned bottle with jam and honey at the bottom or a blue lamp for other insects.

In a sense it's silly it reminds of the so-called nets of fishermen supposed to sort Image

This does not take away from the problems posed by Asian hornets with regard to bees.

It seems to me that more interesting solutions exist but I am too lazy to search ... : Mrgreen:
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Re: Fight against the Asian hornet in our gardens




by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 10/07/18, 01:05

Janic wrote:

Then the choice is between losing a few non-target insects


So that's not a smart idea

Non-target insects will appreciate Image
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 10/07/18, 01:38

nico239 wrote:It seems to me that more interesting solutions exist but I am too lazy to search ... : Mrgreen:



Well i looked anyway Image

Good already on the blind trapping ... but was it really necessary as he appears as ecologically silly

https://www.terraeco.net/Pourquoi-il-ne ... 58870.html

For the protection of hives one of the systems called "muzzle" (this is the one I heard about) seems much smarter

It is not perfect, there are lots of sites and beekeepers who talk about it and who relate success or half success and who try to perfect the thing.

https://www.terraeco.net/Pour-proteger- ... 58880.html
the link is interesting because it is commented with different opinions

pdf of an elaborate construction (on paper)
https://www.frosaif.fr/REPOSITORY/Musel ... il2017.pdf

There are lots of videos on "muzzles"

There is also the use of chickens (rather than hens it seems)
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Re: Fight against the Asian hornet in our gardens




by Janic » 10/07/18, 07:48

nico hello
Janic wrote:
Then the choice is between losing a few non-target insects

So that's not a smart idea
Non-target insects will appreciate

You are completely right on the bottom, but I am not a beekeeper so I see the problem only from the outside. The ideal being to touch only the Asian hornets and you indicate other means of which the beekeepers make the tests (I even read somewhere that certain plants put in their vicinity limit their proliferation.)
In reality, it was when the first hornets began to decimate a few bees that the problem had to be tackled head on and not wait for it to become a major problem. It is at the beginning that it is necessary to stop a fire, not when the whole building is on fire and too bad, according to the firemen, for the precious goods which are in the building and which would also end up being burned.
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Re: Fight against the Asian hornet in our gardens




by phil53 » 03/08/18, 17:05

On the internet, some claim to protect their hives with hens. I advised this technique to my neighbors and well, there are hornets and the hens live their lives without being interested. I even saw one pose at close range, she looked at him without doing anything else, not tempted at all.
Do you have any feedback on this subject?
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by Ahmed » 03/08/18, 17:17

For having frequented the gent gallinacea a little, I doubt the universality of the "anti-hornet guarantee": they are far from having all the same behavior. Animals each have their own uniqueness, although general trends can be observed ...
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by phil53 » 03/08/18, 23:04

Ahmed, I made the same remark, I looked on the internet and no one specified the variety or even differentiated whether they were hens or young.
Child on a farm with a friend we had a cruel hobby but at the time I did not have a case of conscience : Evil: , we were giving mice to the chickens in the backyard. At first it was dead mice that we trapped, then we looked for nests to give young offspring. The chickens gobbled up all voraciously, the funniest thing for us was when one of the chickens swallowed a mouse suddenly and its tail protruded from its beak the others rushed to shoot it.
Like what chickens in a small area in large numbers eat everything that presents itself.
That may be the solution.
By cons will they let the bees fly without gobbling them ????
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 04/08/18, 02:39

From what is said for hornets it would rather be the chickens and not the hens. (and don't ask me why) :)
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by Christophe » 04/08/18, 14:55

I came across this video a bit ... impressive! For those who want to know how a (big) hornet's nest is made:



The author has quite a few other videos and is very friendly ... Sometimes he even gets stung despite pro protections ...



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Re: Fight against the Asian hornet in our gardens




by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 08/08/18, 00:35

Christophe wrote:I came across this video a bit ... impressive! For those who want to know how a (big) hornet's nest is made:



The author has quite a few other videos and is very friendly ... Sometimes he even gets stung despite pro protections ...





A few years ago in a rental house where I resided I lifted the wooden plate which allowed access to the attic ... everything was normal except that ON this wooden plate was ... a huge nest of hornets ... abandoned of course like a big basketball.

It must have been there for a while and empty because otherwise we would have heard the buzzing.

It’s a hell of a Star Wars style Death Star construction ... brrrr

Still in the same place the wasps were building heaps of nests under the edge of the roof.

At that time I did not want to have too many wasps around.
The first reflex was to destroy a few, which it was possible to reach without climbing a fire ladder.

But the following summer I realized that I had made way for them to come back to build NEW nests: grrrrr

So at the end of the summer I left the new nests in place.

Result more room to build new ones so fewer and fewer nests.

So if you have wasp nest constructions you can always kill the wasps if they bother you but above all leave the nests in place.

Since I changed corners and I would like to have more wasps: we are never happy : Mrgreen:
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