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by Janic » 16/05/17, 12:35

Roundup will be replaced by much more toxic herbicides if it is banned. NGOs will also have to find real arguments, not masquerades like the Hague trial if they want to be taken seriously.
And then eliminating the products in ... cide means putting half the population back to work on the land

You are right and wrong at the same time! Seen by the farmer who first thinks of his snack, pollution is not his main objective even when he is the first victim; in the same way the profession sees the interest of this one and the pollution finds there only a minor interest and in that you have, they are right. But at the higher level, when it concerns an entire country, these interests become minor for the rest of the population who thinks first of themselves, of the health of their children and of generations to come. And at the next level, that is to say of the entire planet, the stake is still different and it is the survival of all its inhabitants (animals and plants) who are affected by these successive pollutions which are not not limited to agriculture, which proves the first segment of the population wrong.
For herbicides, replacement with other more toxic ones is not compulsory. Indeed, the solutions used in AB require a paradigm shift; Did gives a few examples and these have been practiced for decades in AB Switzerland for example. But of course the farmer must gradually change his cultural habits and replace productivist agriculture with qualitative agriculture.
Herbicides are not the only solution, but their minimal cost has led to a disaffection for other technical paths. In addition, this was fully in line with a progressive dispossession of the farmer's mastery for the benefit of outside technicians ...
The complexity of weed management is not so much a difficulty as an opportunity for farmers to reclaim their trade.
totally agree with you. The difficulty comes from the inertia of a society which changes its habits only very slowly and when time is short it poses a fundamental problem.
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by izentrop » 16/05/17, 13:23

Janic wrote:The difficulty comes from the inertia of a society which changes its habits only very slowly and when time is short it poses a fundamental problem.
We agree. It could accelerate if states imposed best practices, but it doesn't get in the way : roll:

Around my house the gardens are like that Image https://www.notre-planete.info/actualites/actu_4465.php

The noise of the engines surpasses that of the birds and some continue to burn their green waste, while there is a deposit in the village. :(
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by izentrop » 16/05/17, 13:32

Ahmed wrote:Herbicides are not the only solution, but their minimal cost has led to a disaffection for other technical courses
If fuel was paid for at its fair price, this would no longer be the preferred solution.

Land clearers are looking for other solutions out of their money, but for now, glyphosate remains the spare tire in case of loss of control
LEARN TO LIMIT THE USE OF GLYPHOSATE: A MAJOR CHALLENGE TO BE RAISED BY AC NETWORKS
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by Janic » 16/05/17, 18:25

If fuel was paid for at its fair price, this would no longer be the preferred solution.
At the right price means nothing. The right price would be a chain that would only sell at cost without any profit or tax, but since we would have to find the money elsewhere, this only displaces the problem
Land clearers are looking for other solutions out of their money, but for now, glyphosate remains the spare tire in case of loss of control
it seems that this spare wheel is rather mounted on the motor shaft!
LEARN TO LIMIT THE USE OF GLYPHOSATE: A MAJOR CHALLENGE TO BE RAISED BY AC NETWORKS
interesting article for such a site. but this discourse was held for other industrial products where its producers dragged their feet with the help of decision-makers elsewhere. (intimate links between politics and industry) such as nuclear, asbestos or tobacco!
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by izentrop » 16/05/17, 23:27

Janic wrote:it seems that this spare wheel is rather mounted on the motor shaft!
As I said, no-till techniques are recent and it remains experimental and voluntary.

Some pioneers are getting there http://lait.reussir.fr/actualites/nos-s ... 3M5YU.html
This is the creed of the basic association http://asso-base.fr/Biodiversite-Agriculture-Sol-et
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by Janic » 17/05/17, 07:37

Janic wrote:
it seems that this spare wheel is rather mounted on the motor shaft!
As I said, no-till techniques are recent and it remains experimental and voluntary.
Some pioneers are getting there http://lait.reussir.fr/actualites/nos-s ...3M5YU.html
This is the creed of the basic association http://asso-base.fr/Biodiversite-Agriculture-Sol-et

Not that recent since it's been at least a century!
http://hippotese.free.fr/blogdocs5/Meth ... e-Jean.pdf
Unfortunately this method was frowned upon by conventional agriculture (the manufacturers of phytosanitary products, not the farmers ill-informed voluntarily) which would have sold fewer products and still today.
However, it is reassuring to see that young farmers see their conscience awaken without, unfortunately, going to the BIO, but who knows? And even more towards biodynamics which uses, as everyone should know, energization methods like those used in homeopathy and whose results are amazing .... as in homeopathy it goes without saying!
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by izentrop » 17/05/17, 09:13

Janic wrote:
no-till techniques are recent and it remains experimental and voluntary.
Not that recent since it's been at least a century!
I should have specified in a temperate climate
pressures for agriculture
without plowing are stronger in tropical climates than in climates
temperate. ASL is thus popular in Latin America. It took time
to get there but in the past 20 years the
development of local knowledge has enabled this dissemination.
In some states of Brazil, ASL constitutes a political orientation
official, and in Costa Rica the Ministry of Agriculture has a
Department for no-till agriculture - in these cases, policy makers
politicians were therefore convinced. The adoption of ASL in the United States has
probably been due to a mixture of public pressure to fight
against erosion and financial incentives for a
reduced plowing.Europe is slowly waking up; farmers are not feeling
not enough pressure yet and environmental indicators
(erosion, flooding) are not yet taken seriously enough
. http://www.fao.org/ag/ca/doc/Y3783f.pdf

It is due to Dust_Bowl that the Americans have started to take an interest in it, but it has become more general a little more recently thanks to glyphosate and aids. (see video comments : Mrgreen: ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkM13icb4JU

This is where we see the whole issue of banning glyphosate :o
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by Christophe » 17/05/17, 14:12

Lobbying still works well in Brussels: http://www.levif.be/actualite/environne ... 62511.html

One step forward ... Two steps back ...

The European commissioners have given their agreement to "restart discussions with member states on a possible renewal of the authorization of glyphosate for 10 years," a spokesperson for the European executive told AFP.

The use of glyphosate has become increasingly controversial in the EU, after an active campaign by environmentalists. The European Commission had failed to convince member states to renew the herbicide license, which expired in the summer of 2016.

It then decided to extend it by 18 months, pending a report from ECHA, the European Chemicals Agency. In mid-March, the agency eliminated the carcinogenic risk.

"The Commission has taken into account the latest scientific studies, in particular the conclusion of the Risk Assessment Committee of ECHA confirming that the active substance should not be classified as carcinogenic", explains the institution in a short press release.

Each member state retains the right to authorize or not the use of glyphosate-based pesticides on their territory, she said.

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by Janic » 17/05/17, 14:53

As if the risks of using chemicals should only be considered in relation to ONE pathology: cancer. It's like the tree that hides the forest! ALL chemicals (not biochemical) and therefore synthetic are dangerous for the living because they are not recognized by it. The illusion involves an appearance of momentary efficiency that pays dearly in return over the long term.
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by Exnihiloest » 17/05/17, 21:03

Janic wrote:... ALL chemicals (not biochemical) and therefore synthetic are dangerous for the living

It's wrong. The correct wording is:
Certain chemicals are dangerous to life, and these dangerous chemicals can be both natural and artificial.

In any case for lack of sodium chlorate, I am obliged to put glyphosate in my aisles (not the roundup), and I am still alive. I am ready to change to something more natural, as long as it is also practical and effective, but I found nothing. If anyone has suggestions, I am interested.
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