Washing machine, its design programmer

[Obamot]

... there should be much simpler => in some cases.

Many families throw away their washing machine because they believe it is either:
- the programmer who is ruined,
- the engine that burned out,
- the limestone that ruined everything.
... since the machine stubbornly refuses to turn!

In reality, it is often just the starting capacitor that has slammed! It does not cost much (and that the unscrupulous repairers, do not tell you ... Or they tell you that the machine is HS ... that the repair would cost more than the machine ... épicétou)

I am sure that among the 'expert econologists', there will be a member who will know the trick to test / start the engine without a condo, in order to know if it is good or out of order ... And how to check the condo (there also someone can enlighten us on how to test it: probably it is enough to remove the belt to "remove a stress" and to run empty ... but I'm not totally sure). ..

Sometimes there are two of which only one is HS: the machine runs in washing mode, but not in spin mode ... If there are two condos and they are the same, we can try to invert them to see if the problem is reversed!

DRIVE WITH CONDOS A DISCHARGE CAN OXIRE YOU A HORSE!
(Take all your precautions: dry floor, gloves, and safety shoes ...)

In any case, it would be better to empty the condos before intervening. (By short-circuiting the two terminals between them: but here either I am not sure!)

And if it has slammed, we avoid dismantling the programmer which would not be the cause

PS: if it is really the programmer, it only remains to find another HS washing machine in good apparent condition, to test the condo ... "and so on" ...

NB: As a relatively easy repair, this can also be due to the HS pressure switch.

[Forhorse]

This is why the source of old machines to recover and modify is almost inexhaustible.

Very often the breakdowns are very simple it is true. But it takes time to search, replace parts, sometimes we replace something, it costs half the price of a new machine and ultimately it is not that.
In addition when we do not have the diagrams and / or that we are not a pro of the household appliance it is difficult to understand exactly how it works (and therefore to troubleshoot)

To this must be added the WAF factor
When the washing machine is broken and there is a mountain of dirty laundry late, try saying "patience dear, I order the part and we have it in 1 week"
I am sure that in 80% of cases, even a good handyman ends up being "convinced" to buy a new machine within 48 hours of the breakdown.

I see another advantage in designing even its programmer: the use of solar hot water (or other ENR) while this option is not available as standard on the majority of washing machines sold in Europe.

[Obamot]

Ah yes, okay there. But that requires doing R&D yourself in your garage, so taking time and accepting the risks that go with it ... I agree 100% and I encourage the process. Nothing is less certain, however, that a solution found, will work with all machines, unless everything is "flattened". Well done anyway!

[gegyx]

It's hard to recover!

Many years ago, I recovered a Brandt that did not always drain.

The pump was running, but the water came out from time to time ...
After disassembly, a 5 franc piece occasionally blocked the pipe between tank and pump.

It! It is recovery!

[chatelot16]

assessing the couple's weight of laundry to turn at constant speed does not seem possible to me

but maybe better by measuring the torque during start-up, or by measuring the acceleration by starting at constant torque: hence your little engine kick, without running for a long time

and to do better I will even give a spin, to centrifuge the laundry, and that its inertia does not depend on the way we placed it in the drum

[gegyx]

Me mine, when it detects an imbalance.
It takes a break, goes back and forth slowly, then turns forward and backward, and once it has balanced, it starts.

[I Citro]

Great idea on this subject.
My washing machine, bought secondhand 20 years ago is still running (a water pump adaptable to 25 € and that's it).
Admittedly, it no longer looks very good because the paint applied to the galvanized sheets with the annoying tendency to flake. As the mechanics hold, I KEEP IT.

However like any good econologist, I wonder if (when a serious breakdown occurs) a newer machine would not be more economical.

I know perfectly well that current manufacturing has degraded reliability to favor the renewal and the incomes of companies and their shareholders ... But modern products are also supposed to be much less energy-consuming, less greedy in water and detergent ...

And then, I would like a machine with double water inlet (hot and cold water) to connect it to my solar hot water.


To come back to your breakdown, I share the opinion of the others; open her stomach and auscultate her. Most of the time, 10 minutes of thorough visual examination will identify the problem (a jumped spring or a "swollen" capacitor, or even a cut or unplugged wire).

[Forhorse]

Well think it's already done ... troubleshooting is still my job ... even if I know plastic extruders better than washing machines
But there is nothing flagrant.

[Other]

Hello

: arrow: Excellent idea on this subject.

However like any good econologist, I wonder if (when a serious breakdown occurs) a newer machine would not be more economical.

And then, I would like a machine with double water inlet (hot and cold water) to connect it to my solar hot water.

There is no longer a good washing machine, the new machines are disposable machines
first the big companies have absorbed the small companies and some brand remains, Inglish, General electric and they make a product quite similar.
The main disease is the programmer (it's been 3 that I change) the last I opened it serviced to understand it is the power contact of the 2 speed motor which does not resist
unless you place two relays (or solid state) to activate the motor, this relieves the contacts, the other functions, solenoid clutch, the contacts are quite strong.
The contact block is identical on several washing machines it is only the cam rotor, which changes a patient guy manages to interchange the contact block then reassembles and twists sheet metal tongues (crimping)

I also changed the engine coupling twice which was a bit weak in rubber and plastic.
Another time a problem of connection to the motor
A washing machine should work for 20 years without worries.
the good washers were Maytag but the models, older it seldom breaks and have double rinsed functions and other than the others do not have, an anti-balance system in dewatering filter with self-cleaning filter, a 3-speed motor,
a spinning speed higher than the other machine, but the company has just been absorbed by English.

the problem currently is the time to get the parts and the price of the parts which is exorbitant.
the programmer (easy to replace but $ 160 for the small motor coupling $ 45)

the washers both have water inlet, cold and hot, with a water inlet never seen, it would not be salable
side fill washers are more likely to fail.

Andre

[I Citro]

I recently repaired the washing machine of my neighbor, a Turkish model who was less than 5 years old.
She was thinking of buying a new one because it made an airplane noise.
It was the spinnaker joint of the tank which had dropped and the water seeping into the bearing had destroyed it.
I replaced the parts for less than 60 € (it's overpriced) and she got a new machine.
I was very happy to discover that these machines use standard bearings and seals, available from any industrial supplier.

It will be a possible choice, when the time comes to replace mine, knowing that I do not want to buy disposable ...