clean and inexpensive electricity supplier in France

[Corpse Grinder 666]

we always have the choice to fight ...

when I speak that I would pay more: simply when the private sector sells to the public to "recycle" (or rather bury). The private sector will do as in all countries and resell used power plants much more expensive to the public than when the public will have sold them to the private sector, not to mention that the public will have to pay for the landfill of the waste.
So we will pay more than fighting for another energy.


If Germany has succeeded in its fight against nuclear power, it is because the population has continued in the long term because it has taken years to succeed.
In France the fighting starts and quickly runs out, that's where the problem is (for me anyway) and our successive governments know this.

[gegyx]

I was canvassed at home by the third operator in France, which is currently advertising: Poweo
It offers the same tariff as EDF, or Gaz de France, except on electricity and gas consumption where it makes a 10% discount, until 2012 and after.
It is possible to go back (for less than 50 € (?), But as in 2012, all prices will be free, all will explode, whatever they say.

For gas, at home it was already the case!


http://www.enviro2b.com/environnement-a ... ticle.html

(Thank you Woodcutter for this site: http://www.enviro2b.com/ )

[jonule]

we always have the choice to fight ...

when I speak that I would pay more: simply when the private sector sells to the public to "recycle" (or rather bury). The private sector will do as in all countries and resell used power plants much more expensive to the public than when the public will have sold them to the private sector, not to mention that the public will have to pay for the landfill of the waste.
So we will pay more than fighting for another energy.

OK I hadn't seen this point ... it's worth developing.

it is true that the profits are always privatized and the dismantling nationalized

[A2E]

we always have the choice to fight ...

when I speak that I would pay more: simply when the private sector sells to the public to "recycle" (or rather bury). The private sector will do as in all countries and resell used power plants much more expensive to the public than when the public will have sold them to the private sector, not to mention that the public will have to pay for the landfill of the waste.
So we will pay more than fighting for another energy.


If Germany has succeeded in its fight against nuclear power, it is because the population has continued in the long term because it has taken years to succeed.
In France the fighting starts and quickly runs out, that's where the problem is (for me anyway) and our successive governments know this.

Let say in passing:
they did not have much trouble because it is we who provide them with a large part of their electricity needs!

[jonule]

what a shame, private boxes are making wheat for the benefit of resale, and it is we who will pay for the dismantling

[Corpse Grinder 666]

A2E: all the more reason to go further in the process: if part of the electricity from France was missing: what would happen? certainly less demand for electricity quite simply: it is the same effect as those who are autonomous in electricity and / or water: it manages according to what they have.
On the other hand the Germans have a consumption which increases less quickly than the GDP: they have a more rational management.

The Germans have liberalized their market, but since any drop in tariff is illusory, the tariff planned in 2010 will be the same as in 1998

they privatized and the state taxes the individual on each kWh produced by 5% of the price excluding VAT and redistributes to the "own" producer.
Instead of investing it in something else ...

interesting things by: http://www.annales.org/gc/2004/gc77/028-039.pdf

private boxes tend to never compete since it simply does not necessarily offer the same rates and / or services.

for electricity in Germany: http://www.enviro2b.com/environnement-a ... ticle.html


A large area does not fight against another since if we look closely: the lowest prices are made on different products ... as for the promotion of a product it is works of the manufacturers and on all GMS.

The competition works especially with the liberalization of the markets to make beautiful, but after .... that goes up also dry.
On the other hand if you are poor (and at the moment we are more and more numerous) you can always hang on for such to a free service (still France Telecom) it is quickly in 0800. Because in the cost there will be that too (which can bring positive things: decrease in consumption, but alas with frustration): a category of person is likely to be picking up, those the same who rents and who have not the choice on their heating and their insulation, therefore increase in the number of patients (it is also increasing in housing) which does not heat to avoid paying too much, this therefore adds to social security (which for me , is not in deficit, I just find it deplorable that it is not upstream that the problem is solved).

Anyway is clear, when there is nationalization is that there is money to be made and maybe much more than the public services have made ...
I suspect moreover the state and its various governments to have increased the tariffs to be able to justify the dismantling of the services: in any case there is always justification in figures often often well handled: nuclear is a striking example: to continue the production of such a danger is based on figures of production and not of consumption, ditto for social security, while the taxes provided for this same social security are gone (tobacco, oil ... etc ...) .
Remember the car sticker saying for the old.

Ok come on I stop;)

[helenedesgrottes]

Hi,

There are many operators in France offering green electricity supply offers. You can choose between:
- Enercoop
-Alterna
- Direct Energy 100% Pure Juice
- Poweo Planet
- GEG EcoAlp
- Planet Yes

Good night,

Helene Desgrottes

[coucou789456]

Good evening

yes, we are spoiled for choice ... but where will they get their supplies given the number of customers apparently already subscribed to these companies?

Direct Énergie with these 600 individual and professional customers, admitting that they only have a 000Kw meter, it is still 6 Gw ... it should be at least 3.6 wind turbines, and I do not think that the France has as many, just for this operator ... because there are all the others who sell their green energy with guarantee !

Poweo has at least the honesty to guarantee that 25% of European green energy.

and I did not consult the other supplier sites ...

in short, all offer everything and a little anything with attractive prices but where will they get their supplies?

jeff

[Alix859]

Enercoop obtains energy from small producers of renewable energy. It is the only supplier to offer 100% energy produced from renewable sources.

The other suppliers buy almost all of their electricity on the market, and therefore have a fairly low share of renewable energy (since it is largely EDF production)

However, if you subscribe to "green" offers, the supplier undertakes to purchase certificates up to your consumption from renewable producers. You therefore indirectly finance the producers of green energy without, however, using their energy.

This may seem illogical, in fact if all French people subscribe to this kind of offer, renewable producers will not produce enough energy to issue enough certificates (far from it).
But the French are generally reluctant to change, so this situation is not likely to happen!

[Christophe]

However, if you subscribe to "green" offers, the supplier undertakes to purchase certificates up to your consumption from renewable producers. You therefore indirectly finance the producers of green energy without, however, using their energy.

That's the theory, in practice the association for the defense of Belgian consumers recently proved the opposite: https://www.econologie.com/forums/qualite-de ... 10586.html

- sorry I would have preferred to agree with you ...

In France it must be kif kif bourico (Electrabel = Suez = GdF ...)

This is why I personally would not sign a kind of pseudo green (fluorescent) contract that stinks of scam!

I would sign one when Enercoop or an equivalent is available from me (which is still not the case) )

This may seem illogical, in fact if all French people subscribe to this kind of offer, renewable producers will not produce enough energy to issue enough certificates (far from it).
But the French are generally reluctant to change, so this situation is not likely to happen!

QED ...

The problem is that Enercoop meets, I presume, a lot of lobbying on the part of "those in place" ...