progressive tariffs on domestic energy 2013?

[Did67]

Of course, affect is important concerning the forest, and this seems justified to me, because in what it would be better to judge only in terms of utility?

We will have to have as factual a debate as possible on our energy choices ... Fossil fuels and global warming or shale gas and its possible "small problems" or wind turbines which spoil the landscape and "purr" a little or photovoltaics which spoils our beautiful red tiled roofs or hydraulics which flood alleys or nuclear power and its risk Chernobyl / Fukushima or woody biomass and deforestation or annual biomass and the risk of starving the poor or biomethane and starving energy crops ...

In short, there's always something wrong!

Finally, it will be a bit of all that ... As little as possible ...

I am relaunching the "pellet heating" debate. I heat my house with around 4,5 tonnes per year. That would represent a big tree per year !!!

A bit of Wikipedia:

According to the last five annual inventory campaigns carried out by the national forest inventory from 2007 to 20111 on the whole of the French territory, the forest in metropolitan France represents 16,3 million hectares, that is a rate of afforestation of 29,7% ...

In mainland France, the rate of afforestation has increased sharply since the XNUMXth century thanks to major reforestation efforts ...

Some key figures :
While it still covered almost the entire territory around the year 400 (Julius Caesar speaks in "La Guerre des Gaules" of "Hairy Gaul"), the French forest has only 8 to 9 million people. hectares in the mid-nineteenth century: this corresponds to the maximum expansion of agricultural land and rural population, before the start of the rural exodus;
11 million hectares in 1950: the forest has gained a little, but the absence of mechanization and the maintenance of high agricultural densities limits the movement of agricultural abandonment and abandonment;
16,3 million hectares on average in 2009: mechanization has led to a shrinking of agriculture on the potentially most productive or easily mechanizable portions.


In metropolitan France, in 2011, the standing volume was 2,5 billion cubic meters.

The annual organic production in volume of living trees amounted to 86,4 million cubic meters for France on average over the period 2006-20101. It is 51,9 Mm³ for hardwoods and 34,5 Mm³ for conifers.



In short, if there were only pellet heating with high-efficiency boilers, the annual production would be quite close to the consumption of 15 to 17 million households (roughly, my 4,5 tonnes is 5 or 6 cubic meters ...)! Surprising, no ????

There, we would not "destroy" any forest: we would collect what grows back! [even if obviously the management by plots consists in "shaving" such plot every 25 to 50 years ... and to replant]

It was just a reflection that I wanted to share. Not to be right. Just to show that the forest is not about to disappear!

[RV45]

And since the middle of the previous century, it has continued to invade us!

Is the forest invading us?
We don't live in the same country

Rv45 wrote:

But let this new government make a mistake! it gives a very bad signal by making us believe that it can lower the price of fuel, rather than making it clear that it will inevitably be more and more expensive and that it is essential to drastically reduce our consumption and other share that it is for 75% responsible for our trade deficit.

Absolutely!

Thank you for your support when the remark to sell the house after the departure of the children I think about it but you are not really certain that it is really the departure!

another case that follows the reflection of certain.

My parents left their main residence at the time of their retirement in a small house.
my father died a few years later. In the famous logic my mother should pay more for her electricity because she finds herself alone !!!

so some will still tell me what should go to apartment !!!

you are not going to offer to put it in a crematorium oven all the same!

In my opinion this project is really only with an electoral aim.

[sen-no-sen]

It was just a reflection that I wanted to share. Not to be right. Just to show that the forest is not about to disappear!

Interesting demonstration, it is clear that biomass has a future.
On the other hand, we must not forget that atmospheric emissions are far from harmless, and that the forest is an ecosystem, not a simple store.

That said, by using pollution control systems, for example, biomass can clearly be included in the national energy balance.

[chatelot16]

when we see the difficulty of young people to find a place in society we can understand that parents prefer to keep the big house ...

also the difficulty of finding both work and accommodation, pushes everyone to keep what they have, even if it is not suitable

I know some who are happy to have a large house that can serve as a workshop, to have a means of subsistence if retirement is not enough

[sen-no-sen]

My parents left their main residence at the time of their retirement in a small house.
my father died a few years later. In the famous logic my mother should pay more for her electricity because she finds herself alone !!!

so some will still tell me what should go to apartment !!!

I think it would make more sense to make the house profitable as mentioned Did67, by subletting (as far as possible of course.)
If the design of the house allows it, it is possible to divide it into two apartments, it is to be seen.
Even if it is less and less the case, living with your parents (common in the past or in certain countries) also makes profitable the habitat, the care of the kids, and the intergenerational exchange.
It's better than dying ... uh ... I meant "geriatric" hospitals!

you are not going to offer to put it in a crematorium oven all the same!

With austerity, anything is possible!

[RV45]

My parents left their main residence at the time of their retirement in a small house.
my father died a few years later. In the famous logic my mother should pay more for her electricity because she finds herself alone !!!

so some will still tell me what should go to apartment !!!

I think it would make more sense to make the house profitable as mentioned Did67, by subletting (as far as possible of course.)
If the design of the house allows it, it is possible to divide it into two apartments, it is to be seen.
Even if it is less and less the case, living with your parents (common in the past or in certain countries) also makes profitable the habitat, the care of the kids, and the intergenerational exchange.
It's better than dying ... uh ... I meant "geriatric" hospitals!

you are not going to offer to put it in a crematorium oven all the same!

With austerity, anything is possible!

Yes personally I had a room on the ground floor with a bathroom for a parent or ourselves I have already had two knee surgery and I know what knows not to be able to walk. This room can also serve as a guest room, it is possible in my case. But in the case of my own, to take this example, she cannot cut her bedroom or bathroom in half anyway, and when my sister or my brother and her family come to see her they are happy to be able to spend a few days together!
For info my parents we welcome my grandmother a few years.

neither do I look at this project the more I see flaws and a real false road.

encourage people to consume less, including electricity and much more fossil fuels, of course. But the approach is still very stupid. we do not all have the same losses in our homes nor the same family constraints and the same displacements.

we should therefore already enter our future scout bikes and electric cars to keep our dear pollution!

it's stupid!

[Ahmed]

Did67, I appreciate your nuanced judgment; however, with regard to forest biomass, it should be borne in mind that the official figures are rather theoretical and include a number of sites which it is neither possible nor desirable to exploit.
The forest is not only used to "look pretty" or to produce wood, it stabilizes sloping land, regulates rainfall and plays an important climatic role at the local level.

You write:

[even if obviously the management by plots consists in "shaving" such plot every 25 to 50 years ... and to replant]

Other forms of management are possible and replanting is not inevitable.
A remark on the renewable nature of the resource: the forests suffer from climate change and more important or simply sustainable modifications would strongly compromise its sustainability.

[Did67]

Totally agree, for both points.

[again, I just wanted to "provoke" a thought opened, having the impression that when we speak of forests, we amalgamate "primary forests", "tropical forests", desertification, "lung of the planet", etc ... Come on, one last provocation: a forest in balance, like the Amazon forest, is by no means a "lung"; it releases as much CO² - from the decomposition of collapsing trees - as it absorbs - from the growth of new trees which replace them; otherwise, since the time it exists, it would be a long time since we would be asphyxiated by hyper-oxygenation !!! But the Amazon forest = "lung" of the planet is an emotional image that dies hard! So from time to time, I throw a stone in the pond. But of course, destroying the forest releases large amounts of CO² - don't make me say what I didn't say]

[sen-no-sen]

But the Amazon rainforest = "lung" of the planet is an emotional image that dies hard! So from time to time, I throw a stone in the pond. But of course, destroying the forest releases large amounts of CO² - don't make me say what I didn't say]

The Amazon forest is above all a sanctuary of biodiversity, more than 2,5 million species the people.
It plays - as mentioned Ahmed - a very important role on the climate, in case of disappearance of the latter it would be replaced by a semi-desert area ...
The lungs of the planet are the oceans, they too are pillaged ...

The problem is that in the current vision, we tend to consider Nature as a store at our disposal, and if we are not careful, we will have to close the store for good, for deposit balance sheet!

[chatelot16]

The problem is that in the current vision, we tend to consider Nature as a store at our disposal, and if we are not careful, we will have to close the store for good, for deposit balance sheet!

if it was only a store we would have already emptied it for a long time: it is rather a factory which produces regularly: we can therefore take as long as we do not take too much

we can also maintain the factory so that it produces more!

a wild forest destroys everything it produces: a well-exploited forest is much more useful: there is no longer a wild forest in France: the most beautiful forests that we see are human cultures!

we must not prohibit countries which still have wild forests from exploiting them in turn as we have done for a long time

with us in France there is a lot of abandoned area that could be transformed into a productive forest ... I think of the areas where there is too much risk of forest fires: we could transform scrub and brush into productive forest