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by Christophe » 26/01/09, 13:23

Especially since it is not ONE job but OF jobs:

- photovoltaic = electrician
- solar thermal = heating engineer
- rainwater = structural work and plumber
- ...

Each of these professions requires specific training lasting several years on its own.

Moreover, these trades are regulated: in France you are not entitled to establish yourself as a heating engineer or plumber without the corresponding BEP or CAP!

In short: you can sell solar thermal but you are not allowed to install it without the diploma.
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by Korben Dallas » 26/01/09, 13:32

The consultant's mission is not to do the installation himself, but to recommend coherent and coordinated actions, something that does not really exist today. It is nevertheless necessary to have a minimum of knowledge in building, and thermal engineering.

The work is done by craftsmen whose job it is, and who have signed a "convention" contract with Greeneo. The ten-year guarantee is provided by the latter.
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by Christophe » 26/01/09, 13:35

In installation I also heard the "plans" because if being a greeneo consultant is similar to the free advice of Ademe or the "Info Energies" points I do not see too much interest for individuals to call on Greeneo ...

Here is a video that talks about it (in the last 1/2): https://www.econologie.com/forums/changement ... t6966.html

This is the first time that I have heard of a ten-year guarantee on thermal solar energy or on a boiler ...
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by Korben Dallas » 26/01/09, 13:44

Exact, no ten-year warranty on boiler, faucet aerator, low consumption lamp : Cheesy:

As for the "free" advice from Ademe or the Energy Info Space, they are very insufficient, too general, without thermal study. The job of Greeneo consultant is more suited to many of our fellow citizens.

The "plans" generated by a Greeneo consultant are mainly action plans. It is up to the craftsmen to verify its exact feasibility and to confirm its effects.

Finally, I remain convinced that this profession has a meaning, meets a need. Moreover, some thermal BEs have the same advisory role, but in a paid manner (this is quite legitimate), which is not the case with the Greeneo service if it is not followed by work. I also think that this is one of the concerns ("what is free is worth nothing").
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by minguinhirigue » 26/01/09, 20:38

The project seems packed, the problem is the lack of knowledge of the building world ... I hear like Christophe say that it takes accredited people to produce compliant installations ...

They certainly come after the consultations, but these same consultations, if they explicitly contain plans, can only be carried out by architects !?

Are there any GREENEO consultants, architects by training? You forgot those old idiots who guarantee the overall quality of the buildings (aesthetic quality too, even if they piss you off! :P )

Seriously, the method is good, skill and experience are better! Talk to competent architects before continuing on this path ...
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by Korben Dallas » 26/01/09, 20:53

Puree, here are the bad words : Mrgreen:

Architect to be a Greeneo consultant? And why not to be a plumber or drywaller?

No, the Greeneo consultant has an advisory role. He audits a potential client, takes stock of a house to renovate (therefore not a new construction), and suggests coordinated improvement actions (by estimating the potential savings on invoices).

If the client is ok, the artisans contracted by the Greeneo consultant come to see the client and validate or not the actions and their effects assumed by the Greeneo consultant. From there, the consultant acts as a works broker. Eventually, he can follow the work for his client, organize the planning of the various trades, and possibly assist the client in the acceptance of the work (but especially not sign the acceptance report which would bind him individually in the possible guarantee decennial).

That is all.
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by minguinhirigue » 27/01/09, 15:28

The greeneo consultant therefore does the job of architect, without taking any of the responsibilities that fall ?! :? Insurance, decennial, building regulations, you can't invent it!

You can say he is an adviser, but an adviser who does building consultancy and does not know the missions he wants to have already falls to a specific profession, he is a charlatan. I agree that architects are not present enough in the niche you are talking about, but it is their job. At least one will be needed in the team to ensure the viability, legitimacy and legality of Greeneo. : Shock:
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by Korben Dallas » 27/01/09, 17:54

This aspect of accountability has indeed been the subject of a long debate within the network. Moreover, the conclusion was not so clear: it likened the Greeneo consultant to an assistant to the project owner.

I remind you that work brokers do the same thing. I guess their legal status is clearly identified.

Finally, we cannot ask a plumber or plasterer to rely on an architect. So why should this be the case with the Greeneo consultant?
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by Woodcutter » 27/01/09, 19:10

The architects who ensure a TRUE project management mission in the renovation, especially thermal, of buildings are really rare pearls ...

Personally, I have never met really good ones!

Otherwise, for GREENEO, I rubbed shoulders with a few members this WE and they still have a few things to learn, especially on ecological insulation ...
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by louis972 » 27/01/09, 19:12

frankly what is this post on this greeneo company?
Is it to advertise?
Is it to recruit salespeople?
as much to say it right away because there is no harm in wanting to earn your crust honestly!
the problem is that it looks like people who no longer sell SICAVs and who are going into GREEN
But of course it will bring energy savings!
but don't bother to polute a site where people share really creative experiences or if not put some ideas and some technical documents on the reviews on the site! there it will be useful!
thank you in advance
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