The future will pass you it with biomass?

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Re: The future will pass you it with biomass?




by Ahmed » 03/02/18, 21:48

A new campaign of "promotion" wood should encourage more consumption of wood. Knowing that most uses are focused on low-value products, that the sector is generally in deficit, but that on the other hand, forest extension is an opportunity for climate regulation, soil protection and fight against floods, this mining vision of the forest is deplorable.
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by Did67 » 04/02/18, 08:47

Ahmed wrote:... these crops would conform to "permaculture principles" ... : Lol:



After that, with arguments like that, who would be against ???? Everyone is for permaculture!

[I didn't know that one yet, as an argument: after "greenwashing", "permawashing" ???? What the hell is Mollison doing? Didn't knock over his gravestone?]
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by sicetaitsimple » 04/02/18, 17:10

Ahmed wrote: this mining vision of the forest is deplorable.


The expression seems inappropriate to me. When a mine is exploited the quantity of ore available inexorably decreases. When you exploit a forest properly in the long term this is not the case. To my knowledge the quantity of available wood tends to increase in France.

https://inventaire-forestier.ign.fr/IMG ... o_2017.pdf
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by Ahmed » 04/02/18, 19:33

I have used the term "mining" on purpose because it fits the current view of the forest as a stock. This probably results from its increase in surface area, a phenomenon linked to agricultural abandonment and also from a purely accounting vision of nature. It would obviously be necessary to reason in flow and not in stock, because this last notion is rather inconsistent with regard to the industrial exploitation envisaged: therefore, the analogy with the mine is justified.
From this point of view, I have many fears for the future, since precedents exist and, on the other hand, the temporality of the forest and that of the companies are antagonistic.
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by moinsdewatt » 04/02/18, 20:54

Ahmed wrote:I have used the term "mining" on purpose because it fits the current view of the forest as a stock. This probably results from its increase in surface area, a phenomenon linked to agricultural abandonment and also from a purely accounting vision of nature. It would obviously be necessary to reason in flow and not in stock, because this last notion is rather inconsistent with regard to the industrial exploitation envisaged: therefore, the analogy with the mine is justified.
From this point of view, I have many fears for the future, since precedents exist and, on the other hand, the temporality of the forest and that of the companies are antagonistic.



Your fear is not founded.

there is no forest in France that is completely razed for logging.
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by Ahmed » 04/02/18, 21:05

My comment is not based on the present situation (in our climates, a form of forest can survive in such circumstances), but on the character of the projects in progress and envisaged. Nature and industry are not compatible, especially in times of emergency, which makes everything indifferent to the short term indifferent.
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by moinsdewatt » 03/03/18, 20:59

Eleven new projects for the T2 biomass tender


From the second round of the call for tenders on biomass energy launched in February 2016, eleven projects were selected by the administration (list available below), including 9 for wood and 2 for anaerobic digestion, on a volume of 53 MW. The plants are sized to produce renewable heat up to 1 GWh per year and renewable electricity to 000 GWh. As a reminder, the call for tenders proposes 400 MW over three years, divided into three sessions of 180 MW, including 60 MW for biogas, under the additional remuneration regime for 10 years.

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https://www.greenunivers.com/2018/02/on ... t2-177296/

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The average price, weighted by the power of all the winners, is € 122,50 / MWh, i.e. a price equal to the average price weighted by the power of the winners in the first period. For wood energy projects alone, the average price is 137 euros / MWh. Or less than during the previous tranche in the same category (149 euros / MWh).

The third application period will be open from June 29 to August 31.

http://www.environnement-magazine.fr/en ... signes.php
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by sicetaitsimple » 03/03/18, 21:21

Wood biomass is and will remain very expensive because there is not much to expect in terms of technological developments or lower equipment costs. No future, except for "small" local heat production installations.
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by moinsdewatt » 02/04/18, 13:03

A 4 MW Weiss wood boiler on the Aix-les-Bains heating network

Frédéric DOUARD February 19, 2018

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The City of Aix-les-Bains inaugurated its new heating network on February 8, 2018. The design, financing, construction and operation of this energy infrastructure powered by 80% wood-energy is the subject of '' a 25-year public service delegation entrusted to Idex, through its dedicated company, Aix Energies Nouvelles.

A new heating network at the heart of the city's energy policy

This district heating network is part of the policy implemented by Aix-les-Bains to contribute to the objectives of the Territorial Climate Plan for reducing greenhouse gas emissions. The City thus demonstrates here its desire to make the best use of carbon-free resources produced locally and to guarantee residents control of their costs by using renewable energy whose price is relatively stable.

80% wood energy

After 18 months of work, the network was put into service at the end of November 2017. 80% of subscribers' needs in heating and domestic hot water are therefore now covered by the 4 MW wood boiler, a boiler supplied by Ets Weiss France based in Ugine. The latter is supplied annually with 6000 tonnes per year of forest chips from neighboring forests and untreated recycled wood waste stored in a 700 m3 silo. The additional 20% of additional energy and the back-up of the wood-fired boiler come from two gas boilers of 2 and 9 MW.

Today, thanks to the production of 21 GWh of heat per year, the network provides thermal comfort for several municipal buildings, housing and the city's hospital center. Through 5,3 km of network and 40 substations, nearly 2000 equivalent homes benefit from this ecological heating. But Dominique Dord, the mayor of the city, is already planning to extend this heating network, the boiler room having the capacity to heat even more Aixois.

By choosing this heating network, the City avoids the emission of 5 tonnes of CO485 per year, the equivalent of the annual emissions of 2 cars traveling 2700 km per year.

A stabilized energy bill

In addition to the stable cost of biomass fuel compared to fossil fuels, subscribers benefit from reduced rate VAT linked to the use of more than 50% renewable energy.

The overall investment made amounted to almost € 7 million. The expected amount of grants, Ademe and Regional Council, contributing to the financing of the project, will exceed 2 M €.


https://www.bioenergie-promotion.fr/548 ... les-bains/
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by moinsdewatt » 02/04/18, 13:04

Here ? We exported wood chips to ..... Denmark!
River transport by barge to Antwerp, then by sea to Denmark



Export of forest chips by water to Denmark by ONF Energie

FranceFrédéric DOUARD March 1, 2018

At the start of 2018, an opportunity to export wood energy presented itself to the National Office of Forests and its ONF Energie subsidiary in the Grand Est region. Indeed, a major Danish Biomass plant was actively looking for wood energy to make up for the supply deficit of Scandinavian suppliers during this winter period. On the other hand, as the regional wood energy market does not offer sufficient outlets, a large stock of roadside wood had accumulated in public forests since 2016. This represents nearly 18 tonnes of wood energy which were mobilized towards this outlet during the months of January and February in the Grand-Est region.

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