Business and sustainable development

[Gregconstruct]

All those who burn the pallets at the back of the yard? hmm?

I saw a company not far from my home that was burning plastic pallets and bins.
They did this at night so that the residents wouldn't see the blackness of the smoke.

[Flytox]

Bonjour à tous

The ISO 14000 is all well and good, some large companies have seen the interest in getting rid of polluting activity by outsourcing them and making the brass shine "We pollute very little".

Small subcontractors are far from having the means to invest in truly compliant / efficient installations and benefit from being much less and much more gently controlled to pollute silently.

I regularly see a company that makes paints containing hexavalent chromium (special cancer). Most of the painters in the studio paint without a mask and for convenience, sometimes not even in the air suction flow ....

I remind the painter that it is a particularly dangerous product and that he must put on his mask ..... he replies that with the mask he can no longer breathe .... When I hold the same speech at the boss .... she replied that when the organization (Apave?) came to check the installations they were perfectly compliant .....

Faced with so much bullshit, I asked the client if he could modify the specifications for this painting service in order to encourage them to respect personal safety measures ..... I was told that it was not the role of the specifications to recall the safety instructions ....

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[loop]

Bonsoir

In your opinion, do you think Chinese companies care about safety rules, and if only they exist?

The rules established in France for prevention in the workplace are completely justified. Especially when you know the occupational diseases, in particular caused by the exposure of operators to harmful substances. Unfortunately, these rules are not applied drastically, often by the parties themselves, through ignorance of the risk or through negligence (very French).
It reminds me a little of the consumption of tobacco.
We deliberately get intoxicated, then we throw our butts on the ground.

The business is what allows you to earn a living so why ask yourself too many questions? The risk is much greater of being "frowned upon" by its management.
Being ecologically responsible is costly for a company (less for an individual), which often has morality driven above all by financial imperatives.

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[Supertux]

In your opinion, do you think Chinese companies care about safety rules, and if only they exist?

It seems to me to have read, but to verify, that there is an equivalent of the European RoHS in China. For the rest no idea.

The real companies that make things happen are VSEs, SMEs and artisans who do the following things (examples to be completed)

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[Christophe]

RoHS concerns Chinese (Asian) products new imported into Europe (and can be elsewhere also that it is level import or export), ie sold in industrialized countries. It is compulsory for all imported products. Only big ones like ikea make the "resistance" ...

It does not therefore concern local production ... it is therefore not the equivalent of an ISO 14000.

In terms of safety regulations in China it is a bit of a disaster ... especially in terms of processing deee waste (but disrespect for workers and human life is the rule in your good self-respecting communist state).

http://www.greenpeace.org/france/campai ... -e-dechets

Find out more about high-tech pollution, read the toxictech report: https://www.econologie.com/forums/deee-rappo ... t4359.html

ps: respect for the environment is in many cases a reduction in competitiveness, but after all if the Chinese pollute their soil and water, it is theirs and it will be up to them to clean it up ...

Nevertheless, I think compared to us and proportionately, China is now more environmentally friendly than we were not so long ago. But it must be said that it also benefits from our errors in environmental management (knowing the costs and health consequences) and that we (customers) are still putting "a little" pressure on certain large companies.

[Gregconstruct]

I regularly see a company that makes paints containing hexavalent chromium (special cancer). Most of the painters in the studio paint without a mask and for convenience, sometimes not even in the air suction flow ....

Many people think they are smarter and more resilient than others. Thoughts like: “Me, it doesn't bother me!”, “This is for chicks!”, I've heard it hundreds of times!
People still believe that it only happens to others. And it is not necessarily the least intrigued who refuse the security elements.

[Christophe]

Well I think that in some boxes it is also: "Either you do it as they say (therefore not necessarily with the right protections) or you will look elsewhere (there are enough unemployed people who would like your place)"

No?

But the conditions of protection at work have in general been considerably improved since the 60s and 70s! Such examples are still rare ...

[Gregconstruct]

Yes, there are still boxes like that but now the problem is more and more workers or employees who do not want to respect the safety instructions.
I am regularly forced to play the policeman and threaten to leave the site for non-compliance with safety instructions!

[Christophe]

Yes but in this case it's up to the security managers to do their job well ... no?

But I know it's hard to make people change their habits even when it's for their own good !!

Should they be taken to visit palliative services?

[Gregconstruct]

Precisely, the security manager does his job but he is not heard!