Advice heating Pros: valid or not?

[dodo]

Did you see my question on the other thread for your attention?

no i will take a look

[dodo]

I just had the proposal for the heating which gives cold in the back:

32kw auto log boiler with 2 buffer tanks, more than 200l for a little less than 25.

in geothermal version:
cap 14kw cop 5.7, 200l tank for 25 euros

good to all that we must add the installation not far from the 7500 euros.

good for this taken it is better that I change my windows and that I do an ITE of 12cm and that I improve the insulation of my attic, the only downside is that I will have to keep my electric toaster.

[oiseautempete]

Keeping electric heating is not a problem as long as it will consume considerably less thanks to advanced insulation, which has the advantage over technical equipment, of never breaking down or consuming energy. and will always be effective in the event of a power failure

[Obamot]

Keeping electric heating is not a problem since it will consume considerably less thanks to advanced insulation

I heard some nonsense, but there it is a little ponpon ... It is as if because we had managed to make some savings, you had to think it was good to throw money out the window ( way of speaking ...), you just have to re-read this, which applies in the same way:

It is also necessary to reason in quantity of energy saved in the house by this investment of insulation: an addition of solar energy in thermal form can be cheaper than insulation and bring more energy than insulation does saves.

As for the fan heaters: I had one in the bathroom, fired because of the noise for a radiating 2000w which is impeccable.

... nimportenawak, put an electric heater blowing in a bathroom! Definitely there are some who want to finish as clo-clo

You often hook up with Dedelco, but you tell us about these "cracks"

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Other than that some confusion ...

To say that heating has 100% efficiency (referring to the joule effect) is heresy and an abuse of language ...

It is clear that electric heating is not a "good heating": since a total aberration in terms of primary energy yield as Bernardd recalled:

Out of 3 to 5 kWh consumed = only 1 kWh is returned to the private individual in "heating".

And whatever the type of electric heating that we sell you: electric blower and ceramic elements, electric storage in rare stones (lol), electric 'central' heating (which has no 'central' as the name), electric by infrared radiation or other electric from perlinpinpin ... It's the same but it's the same thing ...

So each kWh consumed in electric heating is an encroachment on the investment budget in efficient heating. It's just stupid (and I dare not speak of "depreciation" ... there the trap is total: supposed savings ... but steep bill on arrival ...)

Electric heating: it is better to stop it immediately!

As long as you choose, take a high-performance auxiliary stove, or not (wood or gas ...).

A wood stove, oil stove ... etc, Can be installed absolutely everywhere, just have a window ... We can also put an exchanger to recover the heat of the fumes. There are some used. It will quickly pay off ...

Like the extraordinary improvement of diesel engines. The new oil installations have almost cold smoke escaping, so their performance is excellent. We can now use exhaust pipes .... plastic !!!

In short, you have to make your brain work a little.

[oiseautempete]

Keeping electric heating is not a problem since it will consume considerably less thanks to advanced insulation

I heard some nonsense, but there it is a little ponpon ...

In short, you have to make your brain work a little.

I especially believe that you have a problem of understanding French ...
I do not see the slightest beginning of absurdity in my words
However, your analyzes are almost always biased ...

[dedeleco]

Totally agree with Obamot !!
Birdcyclone remains the same!

First of all, basic insulation is to chase leaks that have gone unnoticed, even at DPE!
The house should go from F to D as well !!
We win quite often, with leaks and nonsense.

Then the wood, even simple, insert, stove, with distribution of hot air (installable oneself) in addition burning the hedge pruning dried (often discarded) and logs here and there, saves quite a bit with wood gratis !!
A pellet stove in addition to automatic during absences, more expensive, allows to almost eliminate the expensive heating, electric or propane gas in tank, as for my son near Lyon, which during the explosion of the price of propane, has transferred to 2 simple pellet stoves in 2 places in his house (divided by 3 in consumer prices).
He did not follow my more complex advice to burn vegetable waste and put a fireplace, while his corner is full of wood !!

We have to see how much we can invest for the best solution.
Energy prices can explode, electricity (nuclear disaster), fuel oil (exhausted), gas (tensions for its supply), propane in tank (already exploded doubles the gas, much more than EDF, trapped customer).
The wood remains free with the thrown away waste, which nobody tires to collect, and remains cheap, labor mainly, except forms with complex technology with standards, like pellets.
Thermal solar is interesting, even with simple and inexpensive collectors, as a slight complement in winter and sufficient in the intermediate season.

[Obamot]

Too bad to get there, but inevitably Oiseautempête and bad faith, it's a tenacious evil ... And what he writes, is it really French?

Keeping the electric heater is not a problem as long asil consume considerably less thanks to advanced insulation

"he" = "heating"?

No consumption will not change, it is the frequency and the power used which will possibly be lower if the installation is less used (at identical power and frequency consumption will be strictly identical). It's not "heating that will consume less"... but "the user"! A question of good French ...

It's not "Partial" to say that is "Stupidly logical".

Just because we have money in the bank doesn't mean that we have to spend everything. It's not "Partial" to say that is just a little sharper than throwing it out the window.

To say that you should not put electric heat in a bathroom (and even less with almost directly visible filaments) is not "Partial" it's just survival instinct, early prevention and common sense !!!

Didiou ...

However, like him, "pretending not to understand" evidence to make his ego triumph, it's just a stupid attitude against which he is unable to fight, and for good reason.

[dodo]

I just saw someone come and offer me some 28 cm wadding wadding for my lost roof space.
for crawling so as not to break my placo he offers me to raise the tiles by 28 cm and put a steamer and also a puff of cotton wool.

To say that the other day I had someone tell me that he spent more on work than the value of the house, I think I am beginning to understand it.

[dedeleco]

Okay, with you, avoid excessive spending, but look under these tiles for large insulation flaws that no one has been looking for, glass wool pierced, forgotten, moved or shredded by the wind, glass wool peeled off walls useless because the cold air circulates between it and the wall (fundamental to check by walking on the roof and the attic).
Put a wood heating not too expensive, with the free wood thrown elsewhere (insert with circulator) and your bill will decrease !!
Otherwise, the rather absurd modern houses are to be rebuilt to remove all heating !!

[Obamot]

+1 for inventory of "The general condition in detail" before starting the work.