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by dedeleco » 25/09/11, 21:13

Turtur gives enough detail in his articles to be categorical :
There is something that bothers me: Turtur or one of his friends should be rich by now, right?


He will never be rich by making his various machines, which he simulates with initially equations that conserve energy by heating a resistance, they are perfectly exact to describe his well-known and classic systems, but his rudimentary computer simulation no longer conserves this energy, for example errors cumulated in the discretization, classical error very well known and very easy to do if one does not think about it !!!

turtur does not seem to have considered this difficulty, simulation not precise enough, (yet basic problem in applied math).

If he had done this on the same simplified solar system, like earth, Jupiter, sun, he would get that the earth should have been ejected from the solar system very quickly and not exist at all after 4 billion years, thanks to its zero point energy, totally imaginary, which comes from the errors cumulated in the discretization !!!

When one simulates on computer, the discretization introduces small errors which cumulated do not conserve energy and can give anything, which turtur has the nerve to assert coming from zero point motion energy !!!!

In fact, the simulation must be designed and adapted to respect physical laws such as conservation of energy, respected by the starting equations to be simulated (prime integrals), otherwise the simulation must be limited in time, short enough not to derail completely !!!
Turtur did not evaluate an upper bound on the errors of its simulation:
these cumulative (rudimentary) discretization errors provide him with a totally imaginary energy totally impossible in reality !!

In his article:
http://philica.com/display_article.php?article_id=219
it continues with an electrostatic or magnetic loudspeaker (commercial used every time you listen to a sound) with always the same error !!

Tutur did not realize that vacuum field energy (which is not the energy of zero point motion) is used in just about any physical phenomenon, even a steam engine, which uses between the vapor molecules, the Van der Waals force identical to that of Casimir, so called at a longer distance, because it is more complex to calculate.

And the energy there is perfectly conserved, verified in a multitude of commercial technological applications, and verified with our earth revolving around the sun for more than 4 billion years without having undergone the energy of zero point motion there, for the 'eject from orbit into interstellar space.

If Turtur does his muddy simulation on the earth around the sun, he will find a zero point motion catastrophe in a few hundred years !!!

So everything Turtur says is misleading and false and wastes everyone's time !!

The electromagnetic Feynman inconsistencies cited by the reviewer are not necessary to explain Turtur's errors, which are much more rudimentary.
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by elephant » 19/10/11, 11:31

By the way, spinning the ideas in my head (like the magnet in your machine? :D ), I can't help but bring your machine closer to a Newman machine

In this case: isn't your problem a problem of speed / resonant frequency / phase shift?
(go to Jean Louis Naudin's website)
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by bamboo » 20/10/11, 23:40

In the end, with all the electrons that circulated to discuss the use of this "free energy", it spent more energy than the so-called Obelix machine could ever bring. : Cheesy:
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by elephant » 21/10/11, 08:29

interesting point of view: how much does the energy spent on free energy and energy conservation earn to oil companies? To dig :D :D
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by the middle » 13/11/11, 08:54

Hello,
By chance, I discovered this video,
At first, I was excited, but then ... big debate ... because the technique is known to many of us, but never verified.
Come on, hop, watch and sing : Cheesy:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhu3wp ... el-page-15
Does anyone live in the corner of this refuge? : Cheesy:
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by Tagor » 13/11/11, 09:50

lejustemilieu wrote:Hello,
By chance, I discovered this video,
At first, I was excited, but then ... big debate ... because the technique is known to many of us, but never verified.
Come on, hop, watch and sing : Cheesy:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhu3wp ... el-page-15
Does anyone live in the corner of this refuge? : Cheesy:


I have already been in this refuge ...
and I keep saying he's a smoker who tries
to attract the customer with ideas "in tune with the times" !!
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by the middle » 13/11/11, 09:54

Tagor wrote:
lejustemilieu wrote:Hello,
By chance, I discovered this video,
At first, I was excited, but then ... big debate ... because the technique is known to many of us, but never verified.
Come on, hop, watch and sing : Cheesy:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhu3wp ... el-page-15
Does anyone live in the corner of this refuge? : Cheesy:


I have already been in this refuge ...
and I keep saying he's a smoker who tries
to attract the customer with ideas "in tune with the times" !!

Thank you Tagor,
Your answer only reinforces my first impression.
For me, the subject is closed :D
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by clasou » 13/11/11, 10:15

Hello Tagor,
When you say he's a smoker, it's because he has a buried electricity line and the wind panels .... are fictitious, or it's just the engine that is an appearance.
Does this mean that the inventor that we see before, is totally wrong.
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by Projéthée » 13/11/11, 11:01

Clasou is above all an opportunist. Who can do a lot more wrong by mixing useful and verified technologies with initiatives bordering on scam.
I admired him during a first report where he showed his wind turbine and his energy management system. It was innovative, ambitious and seemed to hold up (as far as I can tell).
And then there was his famous replication of the Hatem system. For that, how to say ... I miss the qualifiers if I want to avoid showing myself derogatory.
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by clasou » 13/11/11, 11:10

Hello Projéthée,
Ah, opportunist, okay, I guess the hatem topic is magnets.
I don't have the skills to judge.

On the other hand, what I find good is his mountain chalet and moreover if it is autonomous in energy, while forgetting about the delicate point.

Now he is an agronomist at the base, maybe when done it is only the spokesperson of the inventor, and with a humanist aim to relay the system, his owner may not have so much wing.
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