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by I Citro » 16/06/08, 12:42

: Arrow: Generator, it has. :D
with 800w he runs his washing machine once a week for about 1 hour (less than a liter).
It is a very well soundproofed petrol group which it does not plan to modify.

Its heating is a small "MYRUS" wood stove no bigger than a PC CPU. 8)
Sometimes in the off season (when he is too lazy to light the stove) he lights up with a lamp PETROMAX with pressurized oil which provides up to 400W of lighting and as much heat (whose operation resembles in many respects a Pantone reactor, as I have already pointed out after having dismantled one)

A butane bottle supplied him with hot water and cooking gas while waiting for a vacuum tube solar water heater.

Cogeneration has no interest for him, and represents more of a "gas factory" than anything else. :?

No one can answer my question: MONOCRISTALIN / vs / POLYCRISTALIN :?:
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by Christophe » 16/06/08, 12:49

Ok so he could imagine feeding his little group with something else: E85, biogas ...

No cogé? Well for winter, in a chalet it can be interesting not (long night, need of heat ...).

If he doesn't want a gas plant, does pkoi think of PV? : Cheesy:

citro wrote:No one can answer my question: MONOCRISTALIN / vs / POLYCRISTALIN :?:


Amorphous: low yield in full sun, 60Wp / m²
Mono: very good output, 150 Wp / m
Poly: 100Wp / m²

So a monocrystalline panel is better technically but I bet the difference in price for the same surface is around 150% : Mrgreen:

For the rest: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo%C3%A ... um_amorphe
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by I Citro » 16/06/08, 13:27

: Arrow: Thank you! This is info! : Mrgreen:

PV is to charge its batteries when the wind turbine does not provide enough, which is generally the case in good weather.

In this case, PV is better than the group ... :?
And then when you don't have an EDF invoice, you can use the money saved to extend your autonomy ...
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by Castex Clement » 16/06/08, 14:18

hello young people,
for citro here is what I found: http://web.univ-pau.fr/~scholle/ecosyst ... -pg-fr.htm and that:
http://www.canren.gc.ca/prod_serv/index ... 1&PgId=598
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by bamboo » 16/06/08, 14:36

Christophe wrote:Well if there is still a problem because pkoi the kit at 2000 € are not subsidized?


Well, they do that with everything. In France for example, if you arrange your kitchen all by yourself: VAT = 20.6%, if you have it done: VAT = 5.5%. It's for a lot of things like that, even when it has nothing to do with oil.

It is not related to lobbies, it is to develop employment (I do not make a value judgment, I just give the reasoning)
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by I Citro » 16/06/08, 23:26

Castex Clement wrote:hello young people,
for citro here is what I found: http://web.univ-pau.fr/~scholle/ecosyst ... -pg-fr.htm and that:
http://www.canren.gc.ca/prod_serv/index ... 1&PgId=598
make good use of +


Thank you, great your links!

On the other hand I saw the prices ex-factory announced in 2000 at 1 € per Watt peak, it hurts : Evil:
Because here we are at 8 € ttc per Watt peak. : Cry:
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by Christophe » 17/06/08, 10:00

indy49 wrote:It's not related to lobbies, it's to develop employment


Do not sell equipment in self-construction because it is not subsidized and therefore the buyer has the impression of taking everything in his charge and finally he does not buy it and does not install a panel by a pro car too expensive.

Is that developing employment? It is above all to maintain that of the fuel oil seller and electrician ... and the monstrous margins of these companies : Shock:

citro wrote:On the other hand I saw the prices ex-factory announced in 2000 at 1 € per Watt peak, it hurts : Evil:
Because here we are at 8 € ttc per Watt peak. : Cry:


8 € is bcp for the "power" panel (well power, I understand hihihihihi).
1 € is not much.

Here is a nice curve:
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https://www.econologie.com/forums/evolution- ... t5504.html

The difference between the curve and the reality of the market = scheming and alignment on oil ... : Cry:
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by Targol » 17/06/08, 10:13

There is something that you did not take into account, Christophe, in your curve:
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by Christophe » 17/06/08, 10:16

LOL! Well seen :) Thank you for this crazy laugh in the morning

I will try to do 2 or 3 "trap" video interviews that go in this direction at the RE show :)

I will print the curves and ask them for explanations, I already know the answer (China ... India ...): cheesy:
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by I Citro » 17/06/08, 10:23

Christophe wrote:LOL! Well seen :) Thank you for this crazy laugh in the morning

+1, sacred Targol
: Lol:
I will try to do 2 or 3 "trap" video interviews that go in this direction at the RE show :)

I will print the curves and ask them for explanations, I already know the answer (China ... India ...): cheesy:


good idea. : Idea:
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