Surcharged generator or not?

[sen-no-sen]

Free energy would be a panacea, solving both global warming and the inevitable decline of the fossil fuels on which we depend, and would evacuate the danger of nuclear energy (waste and accidents) since it has become useless.
I anticipate a little your depressive purr: With a clean and abundant energy, many problems disappear.
The demography calms itself as soon as the standard of living and education rise which goes hand in hand with abundant energy.
In short, I say a thorn less thanks to the free energy (clean and abundant) and you will say one more, since we will enjoy this abundance to destroy everything. Unless you evolved?

Before starting, just a reminder (X3!) Of basic physics:free energy is energy that can be fully converted into mechanical work, it has nothing to do with an infinite source of energy from the void!
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89nergie_libre
For the rest:
Your proposals éclectron deserve a dedicated article as it reflects the confused vision that most people have of their relationship to energy:
To know that a clean and unlimited energy would be synonymous with happiness and infinite prosperity.
Unfortunately this assertion is totally wrong ....
It's a simple extrapolation, not a scientifically valid reasoning.
The current ecocide is not related to global warming(1)nor to nuclear waste(2), but only to the increase in entropy produced by industrialization.
We are facing a crisis entropic of nature anthropique!
The Borneo forest does not fall under the effect of GHGs but under the action of chainsaws and other bulldozer, it is therefore fundamentally a question of dissipation of energy within a medium.
Beyond what statistical science tells us is that the too rapid variation of energy flows within a system leads to upheavals proportional to the degree of energy dissipated, up to disruptions (collapse if necessary).

The more energy a society has and the more it becomes violent (3),there is no historical counter example, with an unlimited source of energy, it is easy enough to understand what would happen ... and there is no pessimism behind only calculations!




(1), Not yet thank God! It is very media announced that most of the current disasters would be attributable to the RCA, in fact the majority of scientific articles warn against the future risks of global warming, but very little risk to assert that the current events would be directly attributable to this one.
(2) The example of Chernobyl or Fukushima, no offense to anti-nuclear tend to show that a zone of exclusion following a nuclear accident is actually much more welcoming than an area inhabited by a strong concentration of being human!

(3) Violence in a broad sense: social, societal, technological, internal or external etc ...

[moinsdewatt]

As for the consensus, it is indeed that of action for action, of the "first of the ropes", of the headlong rush of this era which shoots up energy and seeks by all means to obtain new doses: it is in the continuity of this model that you are located!

I see that nuance is not something you like.
It is not because the energy would be clean and abundant that the same idiots must be repeated ad vitam æternam, whose growth is "obligatory" (linked to the monetary creation) and not necessarily desired by a population having reached a level of satisfactory life.
It seems to me that man has a say in the society he builds (in theory! )
This is not saying "we are all screwed so we do nothing and all the better if everything collapses".
Good for what, it will explain it to me.
It is simply criminal to do nothing if you have the vision and the ability to act.

I'm afraid I have not evolved to the point of being satisfied with this simplistic reasoning

You will have to prove your words, my friend.
Prove that with clean and abundant energy, we run even faster towards a collapse, with irrefutable arguments, as you like.

however, it strives (this is the good thing) to find a way to redress the situation. Unfortunately, if I follow your logic, it is only satisfying in appearance

This judgment only binds you, proves it.

because on the one hand this "free energy" has all the chances of remaining a pure fantasy

Argument irrelevant since, you put yourself in the case, hypothetical certainly, its existence.
To come then to use this argument to justify your position is simply inadmissible.

and on the other hand, more seriously, the consequences you are aiming for come from magical thinking: suddenly, all the contradictions disappear ...

Absolutely not, remain these problems:
- resources in the broad sense,
- food,
- potable water,
- pollution
- preservation of natural ecosystems
- demography (the time that the standard of living and education rise).
Your vision is very simplistic as you like to say for others.
I did say that clean and abundant energy would remove ONE thorn of the foot, not all thorns.
So much remains to be removed and since you are so quick to give lessons, since you know, show what you are able to do, made for the other thorns.
It's so much easier to say, "What's the point, we're all screwed up?"
That with people like you, supporters of this defeatist speech, paralyzed to act by fear, you will be right.
Self-fulfilling prophecy, it's called.

we all know the consequences already.

yes and to come, if no parameters change: the collapse of the world population and ecosystems. A big poo!

It is a trick of the system to make us believe that by increasing the causes, we could reduce the consequences ...

Vision once again distorted by your pessimistic or depressive mental polarization, you will tell me!
Take a country like France, turn all dirty energies and replace them with clean and abundant energy.
We can be self sufficient in all but a few minerals (and then - and then when energy is abundant, recycling is no longer a problem).
Demographics are stable, except for a few populations to educate / empower.
In short, France could be a real paradise, like many countries.
There are many areas of progress in sustainability, including agriculture, the cycle of human waste, etc. .....
With a clean and abundant energy the game is far from won but it is more comfortable to continue playing (smart and not stupid, of course).

In conclusion if the energy becomes clean and abundant, I would say change your scratched disk, we go to mp3 HQ.

On the other hand if this free energy, clean and abundant does not exist where does not appear in time, it is the 2 feet on the brake that it is necessary.
"Clean and sustainable" nuclear power (its molten and thorium, not uranium and pressurized water) can play this role of clean and sustainable energy, for a time of the order of a millennium.
it does not take the way and the deadline of a contraction on the energies gets closer ...

You put blinkers on yourself, how do you not see that with free food all the problems are solved?

With free food, you do not need to get into the fields, you do not need expensive tractors, natural gas to make ammonia fertilizers, more land conflicts.

Africa will be a paradise, the overpopulation problems in Asia will fade away.

Go one more effort, discover the free food, there is so much to gain in this way.

Let's turn these Monsanto, Massey Ferguson lobby, frozen food profiteers, spoilers of industrial bread, those who take meat like Charral.

Make the revolution and join the movement of research for free food. Make it before it's too late.
Those who seek free energy are mistaken for combat. The real cause is free food. It is quickly seen, free food is eaten, not free energy.

[eclectron]

Make the revolution and join the movement of research for free food. Make it before it's too late.
Those who seek free energy are mistaken for combat. The real cause is free food. It is quickly seen, free food is eaten, not free energy.

No contradiction or contra-indication between 2 fights, they are complementary, here are 2 lines checked in the list of problems.
Many more remain ...

The interest of energy in Europe?
Do not you warm up?
Do not you cook?
Do not you want a running water supply at home?
you do not want hot water anymore?
You do not intend to move easily?
The society being what it is, ie with the majority of the population in the cities, no more food supply of the cities?
What motivated my interest in free energy is the empowerment of my place of life, so food is part of my concerns. All my concerns are the concerns of the world.
The Enr is very nice but it immediately takes physical proportions and cost and finally important resources. I do not live in the south ....
the old habitat is often poorly oriented, poorly insulated, poorly designed to handle thermal bridges ...
The energy is abundant and clean, and would solve many problems. I have not finished my technical inquiry on this subject.

[eclectron]

Before starting, just a reminder (X3!) Of basic physics:free energy is energy that can be fully converted into mechanical work, it has nothing to do with an infinite source of energy from the void!
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89nergie_libre

Already mentioned by myself, here ... you do not teach me anything, thank you, goodbye!

The current ecocide is not related to global warming(1)nor to nuclear waste(2), but only to the increase in entropy produced by industrialization.

And especially by the multiplicative factor that is the demography ...
10 000 men on earth living as an American is absolutely not a problem.
Another point to check in the list, the demographics, do you go there?

We are facing a crisis entropic of nature anthropique!
The Borneo forest does not fall under the effect of GHGs but under the action of chainsaws and other bulldozer, it is therefore fundamentally a question of dissipation of energy within a medium.

We Westerners are customers of this wood that we do not need, we could live our life with our local wood, while preserving our local ecosystems.
The people of Boreno are destroying their forests only to have money, to raise their standard of living, or simply to live.
and we Westerners made us exotic wood for cheap and palm oil which we spent very well until then.
another problem of the list that I forgot to put but that I had mentioned a little: money, its creation, its distribution, in short, capitalism to be clear!

Beyond what statistical science tells us is that the too rapid variation of energy flows within a system leads to upheavals proportional to the degree of energy dissipated, up to disruptions (collapse if necessary).

It shows above all that man has always been stupid and irresponsible.

The more energy a society has and the more it becomes violent (3),there is no historical counter example

The man carries violence in him, look at your avatar, your introduction.
Energy can multiply the expression of this violence, indeed.
Energy allows to multiply the expression of the stupidity, it is a fact.

Nothing prevents one from becoming intelligent and responsible, it is a little what is happening with the test of the limits that we are living on a planetary scale.
it is perhaps the expression of the intelligence that is to work, rather than to consider the man with ad vitam æternam and to deprive him of energy and thus to condemn him to the conditions of life from which he wanted to emerge.
Personally, I would prefer an exit from the top, at all levels.

, with an unlimited source of energy, it is easy enough to understand what would happen ... and there is no pessimism behind only calculations!

calculations ... but can we draw an immutable rule?
Is it not neglecting the possibility in each man to evolve towards more intelligence and responsibility?

[Janic]

Is it not neglecting the possibility in each man to evolve towards more intelligence and responsibility?

if it were in its possibilities and means, this intelligence would have appeared for a long time, which is not the case, and that whatever the number of humans on this earth. Because, on the contrary, the more they are numerous, the more they cumulate this lack of intelligence and lucidity which lead us in the wall!
But all whistleblowers are considered as impediments to turn in circles!

[eclectron]

Where did you see that I recommend not doing anything?

Thank you for this clarification, I would have extrapolated badly.

Energy does not do anything by itself, only man is responsible for its use.
On the other hand, the lack of structural energy implies a radically different lifestyle, a retreat that does not motivate many people.
It brings us back well before coal, where everything was renewable except that in the meantime the world population has been multiplied by 7.
I fear that it stuck energetically, that the forests suffer and so we with.
It seems more comfortable to live with a source of clean and abundant energy.
It's up to us to make good use of it.

[eclectron]

if it were in its possibilities and means, this intelligence would have appeared for a long time, which is not the case, and that whatever the number of humans on this earth. Because, on the contrary, the more they are numerous, the more they cumulate this lack of intelligence and lucidity which lead us in the wall!

Glass half empty or half full?
I perceive an increasing awareness in the population, thanks to or because of the limits we experience, which leads to a possible empowerment ...
the game is far from won in terms of critical mass.
the system is solid, it traps with fear, as it is the fruit of it.
globally the economico-capitalist world is based on the fear of missing, afraid of dying.
Experiencing the limits, which accentuates fear, should accentuate the responsibility in each, and then present durable solutions of abundance, can lead to rejecting the current system.
I think that more favorable conditions (material abundance for primary needs) would create the conditions to get out of this prison of fear, of its enslavement, and thus to go towards more reason (freed from the fear that sclerosis any thought, any hindsight) in the use of resources in the broad sense, which would of course have a lot of positive implications for pollution, eco systems etc.
I dream ... but many times it feels good!

But all whistleblowers are considered as impediments to turn in circles!

No big deal, do not give up!

[Ahmed]

Awareness of the limits first makes one fear the cessation of the current state, that is to say a certain comfort * and the vast majority of the critical movements aim above all to tinker with adjustments to the system in order to maintain it: the so-called anti-capitalist are, with a few rare exceptions, nothing but altercapitalists (that is to say a capitalism that gives them a more comfortable place).
There is no reason for a purely technical measure to change anything, even more so if it removes the boundaries...

If the fascination for the conquest of other planets is so great, it is precisely to avoid confronting limits which appear too small to continue "as before". Imagine that these limits disappear, do you think that ecocide would slow down the headlong rush? Not at all, because today it is the least of the worries of the vast majority: awareness of limits, it is selfishness that fears having to moderate ...

* or hope to access it.

[eclectron]

I've done some sausage , what is commonly called point by point.

Awareness of the limits first makes one fear the cessation of the current state, that is, a certain comfort or the hope of gaining access to it.

Is not this already the case?
Are there alternatives for setting up? at the scale of the problem?
I do not believe.
So even if a parameter such as clean energy and a profusion, (free energy), came out tomorrow, there is the time factor of implementation that will make that the wall will get closer a little more, just to be well aware ...
And energy does not solve all the problems, already said ...

There is no reason for a purely technical measure to change anything, even more so if it removes the boundaries... .

There was never any question of that, there was never any question of A technical solution leading the revolution ....
It is a question of a possible scenario where the consciousness of the humanity would be growing, because confronted with the limits which are the limits of the logic of the current economic system: A whole logic of predation propelled by the fear (inintelligence), which leads us in the wall.
I summarize, we have on one side the wall and on the other the possibility of a world of perennial abundance on the primary needs: free energy (or other), perennial agriculture etc ..
Maybe people will realize that it is foolish enough to remain a slave to the old system, reassuring because it is the only known option, and still leads in the wall; while a sustainable world of lesser effort is possible elsewhere, where capitalism would lose all its meaning.
At one point you have to drop the pole to swim ...
Free energy, if it exists, solves nothing on its own.
It is a "package" of sustainable that is in question.
Free energy is only one element among others.

If the fascination for the conquest of other planets is so great, it is precisely to avoid confronting limits which appear too small to continue "as before".

Yes, which is totally illusory with the current tecno and without abundant energy, that we have not at the moment t.

Imagine that these limits disappear

One can imagine it but it is not what proposes.
I propose to put in place lasting solutions for EVERYTHING and that goes through a transformation of the human mind, too conditioned by centuries of logic of scarcity and fear.

Do you think that ecocide would stop the flight? Not at all, because today it is the least of the worries of the vast majority: the conscience of the limits, it is the egoism which fears to have to be moderate ...

We have been educated as children, by children (our parents), the miracle of science capable of solving all problems. Thin, there are limits!
To us (those who are present on this Earth at the moment t) to do the job, to us to set up a perennial world, nobody will do it for us.
There is evangelization beforehand to make hostile ground, do you stick to it?
Personally I find that it moves towards the awareness but I admit that it is very subjective, difficult to evaluate quantitatively.

[Janic]

Glass half empty or half full?

This phrase is often used to describe a state of affairs that is considered equivalent (and in some physical form, it is!). The real meaning is not about the capacity of the glass, but about the action. which led to this reality. Indeed it can only be half empty when it is the result of an empty action and therefore half full for reasons of filling. So when we know the action this equivalence disappears. So it would be more accurate to say that the glass is at half its capacity, without involving an action.

I think that more favorable conditions (material abundance for primary needs) would create the conditions to get out of this prison of fear, of its enslavement, and thus to go towards more reason (freed from the fear that sclerosis any thought, any hindsight) in the use of resources in the broad sense, which would of course have a lot of positive implications for pollution, eco systems etc.
I dream ... but many times it feels good!

Eh yes! Without dreams, without fantasies, without utopia, the world would be difficult to bear (starting with oneself). But fear is a very powerful lever to enslave the spirits who, by reflex, take refuge under the control of those who use this fear .... accompanied by hope as always (the couple carrot / stick) Physical, mental, spiritual: the total!