Surcharged generator or not?

[Tiwi]

Besides, I have no doubt that the scientists who worked on the Spanish submarine which only sank were very gifted in thermodynamics

[Ahmed]

Tiwi, don't take it badly, but given your questions, it's "dead" ...
Mine, which is devoid of mockery, would be this: how could you for a moment think that this device could generate anything?

[Tiwi]

Assuming that there is a little air left in the balloon and that the non-return valve is mounted on a piece of flexible pipe, the top of the bell bends the flexible pipe vertically, the ball or other blocking the non-return valve slides by gravity and becomes passable without the slightest pressure.

Now you would have to know what pressure the air remaining in the balloon would be when it was down.

I don't understand why talking about free energy is so badly perceived by people ...

[Ahmed]

The so-called "free" energy does not have much sense in itself, but this concept refers to erroneous physical conceptions which suppose that energy could arise from nothing, with a trick which would inflict a stinging contradiction to the usual laws of thermodynamics. But the facts are stubborn and these so-called "tricks" arise only from the ignorance of their authors, for energy can neither be created nor destroyed.
What I find interesting in this phenomenon is this obsession with abundant and free energy, an obsession that reflects the energy addiction of our society. It is all the more illogical that the feeling of potential lack of energy (depletion of resources) aims only at the perpetuation of a modification of our environment, which constitutes the real problem (destruction of the conditions of life on Earth) and not the solution.

[izentrop]

Tiwi, you have the keys to answer your questions. You just have to experiment, even on a small scale or do the math.

[Grelinette]

The so-called "free" energy does not have much meaning in itself, ... What I find interesting in this phénomèneIs this obsession with abundant and free energy, an obsession that reflects the energy addiction of our society.
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Trying to explain this "phenomenon" is indeed an interesting subject! We leave the debate of this post, but insofar as it will end like the others on the same subject, namely in a dead end, why not pick up on Ahmed's question? ...

Where does this "human obsession" to believe in the possibility come from? of abundant, free and free energy ?
We come back to this question that was asked, here, on econology: "is the quest for progress inscribed in the genetic heritage of man?".

This atavism would therefore be a kind of reflex which pushes the human being to seek answers in all and all directions, including towards horizons which have no outcome, to reassure his anguish of the next day?

Or it is the famous myth of Sysiphe (whose name also means "Wise Man"), who was condemned by Zeus, for having tried to challenge and betray the Gods, to roll an enormous rock on top of a mountain, which each time fell on the other side and which Sisyphus brought back to the top again until the end of time ...

Finally, the researcher of the Perpetual Movement is a bit like the Sysiphe of Science who wants to challenge the Laws of Thermodynamics!

[moinsdewatt]

I don't understand why talking about free energy is so badly perceived by people ...

Start by defining what you mean by it.
I do not understand what it is.

[Bardal]

Yeah, I don't know what it is either ...

[Ahmed]

Grelinette, you write:

Where does this "human obsession" come from in believing in the possibility of abundant, free and free energy?

It is something very modern which operates the synthesis between two contradictory aspirations. First of all, a distrust of our modern world which uses various stratagems (many see it as a sort of conspiracy) to make it dependent on energies controlled by public or private institutions; “free” energy would be both an (illusory) possibility of escaping these strong social and economic constraints and, from my point of view, on the contrary a way of expressing its contamination with this thermodynamic ideology (Cf. F. Roddier), since the role of energy is to modify / destroy our environment.
Then:

"Is the search for progress written into the genetic heritage of man?"

Here you are formulating something very different. First of all, the notion of "progress" is not taken for granted, for the ancient Greeks (among others), life is a perpetual restart, because they had a cyclical vision. More so, the myths and the culture were rich in warnings against those who would want to disturb the eternal order of the cosmogony.
The imperfection of man as an animal leads him culturally to compensate for his weaknesses by other means, the danger of which did not escape the ancients. However, anthropomorphism which tends to make man "the measure of everything" (Pratagoras) will gradually impose itself through the Christian religion, then in the Renaissance and finally in the Age of Enlightenment: it is It is at this time that the concept of progress appears, the idea that there is a possibility of accumulating knowledge likely to profoundly modify our relationship with the world. It goes without saying that this notion is to be put in relation with the appearance of capitalism which itself rests on a possibility of accumulation of abstract value.
Thus, it is relevant to link the increase in knowledge, capital and that of machines (although the latter only manifest themselves later) ... The centrality of man, first proclaimed then put into practice, relegates to the second plan other beings, as well as that which is inanimate; it is the logical point of tilting: by condemning nature, man condemns himself as being of nature and recognizes himself only as being of culture, in other words as self -creation ... We see enough what this implies, because what remains of nature must be expelled in favor of a self-creation not only largely symbolic, but of a new and mechanical whole. It follows from this several current orientations of our society, including that represented by transhumanism (and whose ultimate logical step consists in suppressing man) ...

[Tiwi]

As for people's perception of free energy, I invite you to try to deal with this subject on forums of sciences, you will see the topo.

As for Ahmed's response, I take his word for it but where are his calculations? Where is his logic? Nothing but the wind of an assertion without arguments other than 'It is thermodynamics which says it, therefore, let us stop looking'.

The quality of science compared to faith is that the former is capable of questioning itself. Scientists nowadays have far too much faith in thermodynamics from my point of view, which prevents them from looking into believing that launching statements without calculation makes it possible to give a viable answer.

Again, it is quite possible that this system does not work, I am not saying the opposite but I want to be explained to me why without forcing myself to faith. Calculations, observations, experiments, yes. Forget it, thermodynamics don't want !!! NO.

I may try to test this system as a simple prototype to see, but I have other projects at the moment.