Electronuclear flexibility (excluding subject wind)

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Re: Electronuclear flexibility (not subject to wind power)




by sen-no-sen » 22/01/18, 11:20

To speak of destiny is somewhat dangerous, in the sense that it induces a mental programming, that is the acceptance of a model of thought implanted in our brain by a set of cultural mechanisms.
In sum, it means that a complex of thoughts (memeplex) determine for us the future in which we will live ... leaving us to self-persuade ourselves of the inevitability of this future!
From the point of view of presentism fate would be the trajectory that an entity operates in space time under the effect of determinisms.

Outside it's Exponential economism and are material addiction technologism as the most effective short-term process to dispel the energy that has emerged as the dominant way of thinking.
Therefore, to speak of the destiny of humanity is somewhat amusing, since in such a scenario, our destiny is to be replaced by host more efficient than us.
Our destiny in such a case would be to finish the process of terraforming (what is global warming according to you?) Before disappearing ...


the final energy of the universe will eventually be zero. Only in the form of photons lost in the cold infinity without the possibility of drawing this energy lost forever "in this universe determined by its cosmological parameters".


The energy level of the universe will be exactly the same at the beginning as at the end, it is its distribution in space in view of the expansion of the universe that will vary considerably.
The scenario of Big Freeze you are referring to is only one of many hypotheses, the most coherent model (resulting from quantum gravity) is more in line with Big Crunch / Big Bounce / Big Bang, ie a universe in constant redefinition.
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Re: Electronuclear flexibility (not subject to wind power)




by Ahmed » 22/01/18, 12:52

The notion of "destiny" is to be handled with a grain of salt, because it obscures things more than it illuminates them. Your idea, Lilian07, according to which "man" (another dangerous concept, because too often, as here, essentialized) would have this "mission" dissipating energy, in the same way as other structures (which is correct) does not take into account , nor of the diversity of human futures (other civilizations have chosen other paths), nor of historical evolution, much less linear than an anachronistic rear projection suggests.
What is important is the break that took place with exponential economism, much more than the points of resemblance prior to this phase. It is the moment of change when the difficulties to build a company on common objectives directed towards the renunciation and the submission to an external and neutral body: the market. From now on, men would argue only according to their greater or lesser pretension to serve this fetish and would no longer have to debate the type of desirable lifestyle: they entered the automatic mode *. This type of functioning had already existed in the past, in "primitive" societies, in order to guarantee a certain stability (Marcel Gaucher talk about it in "Policies), but in this case the fetish imposed only the observation of the custom. What is radically new in the modern fetish is that its foundation is accumulation, therefore perpetual change, therefore an ever greater expenditure of energy. Until this deployment destroys the possibilities of life on Earth, that of men, as of many other species ...
This answers, Lilian07, to what you write:
Man is above all a predator of energy and he will capture the energy of the universe to be able to fill the box of levin (Kneaded, leavened?) as a microbe. How does this differ from the law of natural selection and the competition that living organisms lead to, dissipating ever more energy.


This automatism of psychisms was naturally to lead to the machine and all its extensions. By giving up thinking, modern men presupposed what was to become artificial intelligence: the machine can easily copy and go beyond an intelligence that is self-limiting to the expression of determinisms.
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by lilian07 » 22/01/18, 18:41

Sorry for the mistakes I write sometimes a smartphone.
Yes the term fate is frightening because it submits a notion of programmed automatism but it allows to give an explanation to the evolutionary trajectory of the species which "win" and survive by the mastery of the extraction of energy from the environment.
In this sense, the species in nature that save energy temporarily are as lucky as those who spend too much (the end of the dinosaur era), you just have to survive the temporary constraints longer than your opponent to be able to make better use of the energy thereafter. The economy is only a means of creating a more efficient sub-group in the "natural" competition by controlling energy more.
It is likely that the most powerful economies find the way before others to have more energy or to travel in space.
It is also evident that AI and machines are becoming the extension of human performance in the service of man (which already started with the first rudimentary machines) which will end up being only a brain. In short, man cannot stop this frenzy because for him it is a "programmed" fatality and we can also see the effects of it through the denial of disasters caused by energy consumption.
It may also be that in this view of the facts there are sometimes counter-anecdotal examples and this does not put into question the general universal law of energy predation, it is an exception that confirms the rule in short.
A carnivore if he has too much meat will go to bury him not his survival or rather the performance of his lineage, and never say that it is better to leave it standing ....
Regarding the universe for my part I believed that we were moving towards an open system "an infinite expansion" in which case at the end of time there would be no more potential energy therefore no more interest for them. beings of the System. energy is above all a potential and it is preferable to associate it in this case with a work of force and therefore a potential state towards another which makes it possible to transform this energy into a useful element.

Our destiny in such a case would be to finish the process of terraforming (what is global warming according to you?) Before disappearing ...


Yes we will certainly finish the process of extracting energy from our planet to be able to colonize another planet if we do not disappear sooner, in which case another species would take over with a better disposition to consume better "better yield" in the long run, in short without exceeding a certain threshold acceptable to the community ....
This explains what could be global warming, a too rapid dissipation of energy that pollutes its hosts, which also curbs the extraction process and therefore must contribute to changing its parasitic organism to better control its extraction.
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Re: Electronuclear flexibility (not subject to wind power)




by Remundo » 22/01/18, 19:04

to bring some ideas on the subject, Jean Pierre PETIT had some relevant reflections on the subject



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by sicetaitsimple » 22/01/18, 19:11

Well, Remundo was right, this thread becomes anything ...

You could not go hugging elsewhere, I mean on another wire?

Well, a nuclear moderately flexible these days, but still 48000MW in the dark of the night and 56500 day around.

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by Remundo » 22/01/18, 19:16

I'm almost always right, I'm never wrong, these are the 2 woes of my life. : Mrgreen:
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by sen-no-sen » 22/01/18, 22:26

sicetaitsimple wrote:Well, Remundo was right, this thread becomes anything ...

You could not go hugging elsewhere, I mean on another wire?

Well, a nuclear moderately flexible these days, but still 48000MW in the dark of the night and 56500 day around.

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You're absolutely right!
I created a dedicated topic:is the future of humanity really in space?
https://www.econologie.com/forums/sciences-et-technologies/l-avenir-de-l-humanite-est-il-vraiment-dans-l-espace-t15522.html
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by sicetaitsimple » 22/01/18, 23:01

sen-no-sen wrote:
You're absolutely right!
I created a dedicated topic:is the future of humanity really in space?


Thank you it's perfect!

I don't think that this thread (electro-nuclear flexibility) does not live very long, however when it comes to threads of a rather "technical" or "factual" character, I find it a shame to deviate them either with digressions towards other subjects (Desertec a little above), or by considerations certainly understandable but having little to do with the basic subject.

This is at least the rule that I try to respect, sometimes imperfectly!

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Re: Electronuclear flexibility (not subject to wind power)




by sicetaitsimple » 08/06/19, 21:19

A little digging?

Just to announce that this Saturday, marked by a strong wind generation following the storm Miguel in France, but more generally in Northern Europe and in particular in Germany, as well as a strong sunshine, the nuclear power in France has passed:

- from 35713MW to 0h00.
-to go down to 26190MW to 6h30
- to stay around 29000 / 30000MW in the day
-and go back to more than 34000MW to 20h45 when I write, maybe it'll go higher.

No coal on the French network, almost no gas (some irreducible cogeneration to about 500MW in all and for all).

It's factual .....

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For more detail and values, it's on ECO2mix. Nuclear is in yellow, wind in blue-green, hydraulics in blue and solar in orange.
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Re: Electronuclear flexibility (not subject to wind power)




by sicetaitsimple » 11/08/19, 22:33

"a plant does not operate for less than a week, I invite you to check also."

It was one of the affirmations on the first page of this thread.

So tonight from August 11, nuclear production was from 28595MW to 16h00, and from 35041MW to 18h00.

about + 20% to 2h.
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