Electronuclear flexibility (excluding subject wind)

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by Ahmed » 19/01/18, 20:59

Africans do not need charity, what they suffer is the imbalance of power relations with the more powerful countries that are the source of extractivism that impoverishes them by enriching us. .
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by Remundo » 19/01/18, 23:07

the answer was long! oh well, on the one hand you have to help them, on the other hand no. Beautiful dialectical funambulism.

I did not talk about charity, but about sustainable co-development.
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by Bardal » 20/01/18, 04:04

Yes, me too, when I spend 100 €, I give a yellow coin to the poor of the corner ... and it lasts for some time ...
Note, it goes straight to the bistro (poor pig!), But it does not matter, I have actions at Ricard ... And I even poor [b] Africans [b], there is more and more by home ...

There had been, at a time not so distant, a project (also German) to divert some of the water from Niger to Europe ... Not all that, to make ice cubes for pastis; my poor man would have been a little richer than the poor of Africa. You have to know how to hold your rank.

Note, some nuclear power plants in the Sahara, it would work too; there would be no one to evacuate in case of an accident ... And at least it would also produce the night ... with flexibility ...

It is not beautiful life ...
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by Ahmed » 20/01/18, 12:55

Remundowhen you give yourself trouble not to understand, you get wonderful results! :D

Africa has never needed help, only what it never got: leave it alone. From now on, his fate is sealed and it is not this "co-development that you take out of your hat that could change anything.
In a phase of collapse, it will have (depending on the region) a certain advantage over the complex Western societies ...
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by Remundo » 20/01/18, 14:25

we know the catchphrase "Africa is plundered" and Western well-meaning repentance.

The reality is that it is true that Africa is exploited (and not looted), but that at the same time she would not exploit her riches at all without the westerners. Exactly like Saudi Arabia eg.

Even if all "colonization" is never done in pure happiness, Westerners have had the advantage of very often providing technical infrastructure and a little medical comfort where they have been.

Moreover, on EnR infrastructures of the Desertec type, we are exactly in the same paradigm.

Ahmed, can you tell me 5 African countries that really succeed after the departure of Westerners?
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by Ahmed » 20/01/18, 15:57

Remundo, can you name me one African country where the European interference (in the broad sense) is not exercised?

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she would not exploit her riches at all without the Westerners

You have a prefabricated model in mind! So there is only Western?
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by Remundo » 20/01/18, 16:02

Start by answering my question, then I'll see for yours.

Otherwise, a remark: the fact is that Africa is the continent which succeeds the least; no other geographical area is so poor and especially with so few prospects with a few exceptions. The Middle East, Asia, South America are very much above and often cross "Western" standards, the bad Westerners who prevent the whole world from going around in circles and developing, and especially the good Africans. looted ...
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by Ahmed » 20/01/18, 17:11

You write:
we know the catchphrase "Africa is plundered" and Western well-meaning repentance.

I do not place myself on this moral ground where it is easy to assert one thing and its opposite without any more legitimacy.

As for your question, mine was answering it ...

With regard to the countries which "succeed" (according to your criterion), it is often a question of savings of rent or of imitation whose temporary character shows through their structural and social (or geological) fragility.

In my opinion, the African countries most deprived of natural wealth and therefore the least subject to the combined predation of their "elites" and Westerners are currently globally less miserable than the others and their poverty presents a definite advantage in terms of resilience when the systemic collapse to come: things are not set in stone, nor are the extensions of graphic curves valid ...
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by Remundo » 20/01/18, 17:20

it is certain that prehistoric caves, or camel caravans are very resilient to peak oil.

unfortunately many Africans do not think so and want to come and taste our standards of Western developed villains. I can understand their aspirations, but I think they should be realized in their home countries with our help, because we can benefit from each other. Any other approach leads to underdevelopment and war.
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by Ahmed » 20/01/18, 17:42

I did not think specifically about peak oil, but since you're talking about it ...

I do not think it is necessary to generalize absolutely this obsession for the Western way of life, Thorstein Veblen should not be taken literally, but it is also, of course, a parameter that exists.
Westerners are not "bad", they are content to act as dominant and rewarded agents of the system, as Africans would do against us if the roles were reversed: this tendency to moralize the debate obscures its meaning.
As for our "help" and "mutual" benefit, this is also wishful thinking and "above ground" considerations, moreover even by making the effort to take seriously what is only a hypothesis of 'school, you offer your help without considering their prior consent * ... : roll:

Note: if I understand correctly, you are for the cancellation of the debt of the countries of the third world, a prerequisite for this hypothetical help?

* As in the "good old days" of colonization ...
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