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Messrs HAPHAM, MARCEL, REMONDO and JAM
Your work leaves me speechless with admiration is nevertheless doubtful.
Indeed, I spent most of my weekend reading your various writings concerning the engine as well, I should say the low pressure engines as well as on your wind turbines.
The first remark concerns the filing of patents. What is the purpose?
In my profession, I have to file patents on behalf of my clients. Originally, my clients wanted to enter an existing market and where emerging. The purpose of filing a patent is to protect yourself and your market from potential competitors. Large American companies file patents tirelessly especially to prevent companies with less financial means from coming to take their market shares. Most of the patents filed by these companies will never be exploited.
I am therefore led, on behalf of my clients, to find new solutions to circumvent existing patents in order to allow the trade to penetrate a new market.
If for financial reasons, we do not have the means to exploit a patent pending, then we block any potential development of the idea. Knowing, and it is experience that tells me, that an idea is far from unique.
So filed a patent if it is not to exploit it exploit oneself, aims at the recognition of his peers and also to obtain a financial gratification by means of royalties. (Which is completely justified) .
Let's talk a bit about eolprocess. I do not understand how he was able to file a patent. Prior art research quickly shows that there have already been similar publications, in particular in the development of the VOIGTH system. In court, with good sharks, he has no chance.
According to these projects, he wants to compete with wind turbines of several megawatts. Not only will his speech to wind specialists be quickly defeated, but I can not even imagine investors who will not call on design offices to validate the choices. Imagine the upwind of its vertical wind turbine by winds of more than 100 km / h. The foundations should they be much larger than for a three-bladed wind turbine. This to close the debate, this windmill having no future.
In the penultimate year of engineering school (1980), we carried out a project, with three other of my comrades, wind turbines with vertical axis. We started on the VOIGTH principle. In parallel, other groups have worked on wind turbines with a horizontal axis, either three-bladed or of the American wind turbine type. The complexity of the vertical axis wind turbine is incommensurate with the other types, without obtaining better energy recovery. This is also the reason why to date, for high powers we only have three-bladed wind turbines.
For me the problem is as follows:
First determine the wind power according to a surface, its speed, and its altitude. Are there abacuses or graphs. For my part I have forgotten all the major formulas and am unable to calculate them to date.
Second, according to the power of the wind, and according to the different yields that we can hope to obtain, what is the power that we can recover.
My dream is to be able to put on the market an urban wind turbine, producing about 5 kW, and of a very low cost.
In the south of France, I don't remember the name, a company to develop a vertical axis wind turbine on an ingenious principle of stator and rotors, developing about 3 kW, but costing more than 20 €, if I remember good.
By the way, still in the 79s, I could see in Marseille a boat powered by a wind turbine. It works perfectly, and the boat was going upwind. The wind turbine directly transmitted rotation through a propeller to a marine propeller.
It worked by simplifying things, because the density of water is 1000 times greater than air. (1 m3 of air weighs about 1,2kg, 1 m3 of water weighs 1 t). However, with no wind or too weak the boat does not advance. It is not a perpetual movement !!!
At the time, an article had appeared in "Mickey magazine" page invention of GEOTROUVETOU.
Likewise, the inventors have filed patents. Having no financial means, they ruined themselves with two prototypes, a monohull and a catamaran. Being too far ahead of their time, having no attraction in the field of boating, their beautiful idea ended up in the bottom of cardboard. snif snif !!!!!!
Far be it from me to denigrate your superb achievements. Just broaden the debate by leaving the world of mathematicians a bit and if we want to act for the planet and where humanity, we must make available reliable and economically profitable means.
I reiterate my admiration for your inventive genius.
In this regard, your tri lobic engine, which I will call very low pressure engine is for me quite viable in sunny and cold regions.
A solar oven would boil water in a boiler, the steam supplied would turn the engine and a current generator, then this steam through a condenser could heat a habitat, before being reinjected into the boiler under liquid form. Such regions exist. We find them in the mountains for example, in Siberia in Mongolia in the Andes etc.
Hoping not to have struck you, I ask you gentlemen to accept my sincere admiration.
these are
Wind Turbine and Patents for Inventions
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michelmor35 wrote:The purpose of filing a patent is to protect yourself and your market from potential competitors
it sucks, if your product is better then people will take it, there is no need for a patent for that but for service.
it is anti competitive, it limits jobs, it prevents others from doing it, it allows the one who paid to act as a dictator with the product, there is more improvement etc ...
Well it's my opinion.
a patent is a capitalist weapon:
In court, with good sharks, he has no chance.
beautiful proven mentality, thank you to the guy who is struggling to advance his project ...
who invented the wheel?
nothing is created, nothing is lost, everything is transformed.
michelmor35 wrote:Imagine the upwind of its vertical wind turbine by winds of more than 100 km / h. The foundations should they be much larger than for a three-bladed wind turbine. This to close the debate, this windmill having no future.
not said: Wind turbines of this type are designed to be placed at the top of building towers, where there is a lot of wind! not at the top of a three-bladed mast, otherwise it costs a lot more.
it is therefore a city wind turbine ;-)
for the calculation of wind turbine obviously there are abacus but what is more important is: there must be wind! the calculations start after the measurements ...
but horizontal wind turbine technology has advantages: it takes the wind from everywhere and has a stronger power compared to the force of the wind (a three-bladed "curtains").
gual industry does that.
everyone wants domestic 3kW wind turbines but they are not given, especially counting the price of batteries and mast! well, it can be made yourself and recovered. to see in association.
there should be "DIY-ecological" stores that sell this especially, with hot water panels, stirling engine etc ;-)
http://www.nrjrealiste.fr/eole/eole_horiz.html
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Hello Jonule
Very well, For Eoleprocess, have you seen the architect's diagram. A roundabout is not a shame !!!!!!!
And then, if this is better, then are you ready to invest 1 to 2 million euros to help him develop his project?
It may not be, but a patent is a protection and a lock. It was not me who invented the concept.
About the wheel, it was invented in 3500 BC in Summer in Lower Mesopotamia. We find the first traces in Egypt during the invasion of this one in 3000 BC.
It's been in the public domain for a few years now
Very well, For Eoleprocess, have you seen the architect's diagram. A roundabout is not a shame !!!!!!!
And then, if this is better, then are you ready to invest 1 to 2 million euros to help him develop his project?
It may not be, but a patent is a protection and a lock. It was not me who invented the concept.
About the wheel, it was invented in 3500 BC in Summer in Lower Mesopotamia. We find the first traces in Egypt during the invasion of this one in 3000 BC.
It's been in the public domain for a few years now
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I quite agree with the arguments of michelmor35. I worked in a large group and I can testify that sometimes Turkish people who have no value are deposited, but through the portfolio this makes it difficult or allows to negotiate with competitors.
Personally, I also filed for patents when I was young but it is certain that on our own we have no chance if we do not have a strategy in mind.
Many imagine that it is enough to have a good idea for manufacturers to hurry to the door. This is entirely false, an idea is very rarely completely new. There are always prior art to bypass, to integrate.
However, the Gual wind turbine
http://www.gual-industrie.com/
seems very good for an individual or a small building
On the other hand it is a bit expensive
But it's definitely better than
http://www.eolprocess.com/start.php
Personally, I also filed for patents when I was young but it is certain that on our own we have no chance if we do not have a strategy in mind.
Many imagine that it is enough to have a good idea for manufacturers to hurry to the door. This is entirely false, an idea is very rarely completely new. There are always prior art to bypass, to integrate.
However, the Gual wind turbine
http://www.gual-industrie.com/
seems very good for an individual or a small building
On the other hand it is a bit expensive
But it's definitely better than
http://www.eolprocess.com/start.php
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Hello,
Patents are made to be misused and not to protect an "invention" ......
Only a company with very large financial resources could defend them and make them bear fruit.
As for the GUAL wind turbine, a life-size model is produced. It can be visited and those who have visited it will tell you about the problems with this type of structure.
Normal that it is not "industrialized"
The eolprocess wind turbine has no future in front of it. Guess why you don't have any technical features on the site?
Torque / wind speed? Yield?
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Patents are made to be misused and not to protect an "invention" ......
Only a company with very large financial resources could defend them and make them bear fruit.
As for the GUAL wind turbine, a life-size model is produced. It can be visited and those who have visited it will tell you about the problems with this type of structure.
Normal that it is not "industrialized"
The eolprocess wind turbine has no future in front of it. Guess why you don't have any technical features on the site?
Torque / wind speed? Yield?
To read
Obelix
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Hello Phil53
Yes, it was Gual that I thought of when talking about Wind Turbine with Stator and Rotor.
I see that I am dealing with a patent expert.
To my credit, I have successfully filed 5 patents on a subject that had more than 530 valid. (on behalf of one of my clients) It cost my client, with my job (18 months + deposits in Europe, USA + trial of the Americans around 800 €)
And my client succeeded in taking 5% of the market, his objective was around 2 to 3%
For yourself
Yes, it was Gual that I thought of when talking about Wind Turbine with Stator and Rotor.
I see that I am dealing with a patent expert.
To my credit, I have successfully filed 5 patents on a subject that had more than 530 valid. (on behalf of one of my clients) It cost my client, with my job (18 months + deposits in Europe, USA + trial of the Americans around 800 €)
And my client succeeded in taking 5% of the market, his objective was around 2 to 3%
For yourself
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super happy for you. by the way do you have the first aid certificate?
otherwise I am not talking about a roundabout but many towers, to avoid putting a mast.
> what is it? axis deformation?
Why ?
if not one of the problem of this kind of complicated machine must be the maintenance of the parts?
otherwise I am not talking about a roundabout but many towers, to avoid putting a mast.
Obelix wrote:As for the GUAL wind turbine, a life-size model is produced. It can be visited and those who have visited it will tell you about the problems with this type of structure.
Normal that it is not "industrialized"
> what is it? axis deformation?
Obelix wrote:The eolprocess wind turbine has no future in front of it. Guess why you don't have any technical features on the site?
Torque / wind speed? Yield?
Why ?
if not one of the problem of this kind of complicated machine must be the maintenance of the parts?
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From my point of view, they are much further than the prototype
http://www.gual-industrie.com/belgiquevideo.wmv
They offer an installation quote, I asked for one.
It remains very expensive, alas!
Regarding fragility, well designed and calculated, I do not see how it would be more fragile than anything else.
http://www.gual-industrie.com/belgiquevideo.wmv
They offer an installation quote, I asked for one.
It remains very expensive, alas!
Regarding fragility, well designed and calculated, I do not see how it would be more fragile than anything else.
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Obelix wrote:Hello,
The eolprocess wind turbine has no future in front of it. Guess why you don't have any technical features on the site?
Torque / wind speed? Yield?
To read
Obelix
Well, I believe that the real reason for his failures is the fact that this gentleman is naturally cautious, I know what I am talking about, I met him ... and he did not conceive of regrets at this subject...
He is wary of the Trolls, without a doubt, he described them to me, they reek of the avaricious and the interested at 1000Meters.
Sincere greetings from Lietseu
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"The power of love, must be stronger than the love of power" contemporary Lie Tzu?
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Lietseu wrote:He is wary of the Trolls, without a doubt, he described them to me, they reek of the avaricious and the interested at 1000Meters.
And himself? Doesn't he have a big head? Independent inventor's syndrome?
Because when he dares to say on TV (when he only did a proto)
My wind turbine will cost 50% less expensive than conventional wind turbines with equivalent installed power
I find it very ... pretentious ...
Then he seeks gigantism ... and there he has not finished losing money ...
Let him make a wind turbine from 1 to 5kW for everyone and we sell him some on the econo shop ...
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