Wind, would we have been lied to?

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Wind, would we have been lied to?




by elephant » 15/09/11, 13:55

Small subject for reflection on wind power, published today in the Belgian newspaper L'Avenir:

The ASBL Vent de Raison does not go with a dead hand. She accuses the Walloon government of "wind" lies

It is not the first time that the ASBL Vent de Raison has been angry with wind turbines. But this time, the accusations are worth their weight in green energy: "The Walloon government is engaging in a fraudulent energy policy, because it is based on lies", articulates Patrice d'Oultremont carefully, on behalf of the ASBL. "It's a heavy accusation," he admits. "But I assume and I can repeat it because it is reality. No one has ever been able to demonstrate that the use of wind turbines makes it possible to reduce the use of fossil fuels or CO2 emissions ”.

What makes the association angry is the new wind reference framework adopted by the Walloon government on August 25. The objective is to reach 8 Gw / h of renewable energy by 000 (including 2020 Gw / h from wind power), with the key to a 4% reduction in CO500 emissions in the same time limit. This plan assumes the installation of 30 2 MW wind turbines per year.

For Vent de Raison, it is very clear: the starting premise is false. “A wind power plant constantly oscillates between zero production and maximum production. The adjustment involves gas-fired power plants which work mirrored against the oscillations of the wind turbines, ”explains Patrice d'Oultremont.

This adjustment therefore calls for fossil fuel consumption and CO2 production, which cancel out the green wind impact. “The law wants to ignore that the Kw / h at the foot of the wind turbine is not immediately usable like the Kw / h produced by a gas power plant. However, this transformation of the wind into electricity also costs energy and money, ”he continues.

"The more wind, the more CO2"

"And we are able to prove all of this," says Patrice d'Oultremont, graphics in support. Elia's Irish counterpart, the distributor Eirgrid, has developed a permanent control system for all the calculable parameters related to the operation of wind turbines. Including CO2 emissions.

“For the past year, this company has published its quarter-hour to quarter-hour statements. And what do we see? The more wind, the more CO2 is produced. It is related to all the complex machinery that allows stabilization of wind power production. We are told the opposite. The lie is there! He repeats gravely. “We have proof of what we say. While the government claims without proof that it is a renewable energy, making it possible to reduce CO2 emissions. We challenge the government to prove it! »Launch the representatives of the ASBL.¦


http://www.lavenir.net/article/detail.a ... 5_00045185
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by dedeleco » 15/09/11, 14:55

Accusation which highlights bad designs of all essentially thermal assembly unsuitable for subsidiary wind!
We can store and if the thermal power station is stopped while there is wind, there is economy !!!

Unless you put the wind turbines in corners with 90% of the time without wind !!

As for the solar one can store, refilled dams, etc ...
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by moinsdewatt » 15/09/11, 21:44

The more wind, the more CO2 ”


What a moron.

Let him compare wind power with gas power plant, and gas power plant alone.

And there we will have another conclusion.

Brief of the beautiful manipulation.
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by Christophe » 15/09/11, 22:38

The more wind (s), the more methane (therefore CO2 equivalent) would have been fairer ... : Cheesy:

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by Forhorse » 16/09/11, 19:38

Well, we are going to offer all these anti-wind turbines to go and live at the foot of a nuclear power plant, we will see the face they make.
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by Ruthenian » 16/09/11, 20:56

If I may, the more people there are on the planet, the more we pollute by breathing (CO2 ...)
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by elephant » 16/09/11, 23:49

you don't have to be embarrassed: there are 6 billion too many. The problem is that we don't know which ones. : Cry:
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by highfly-addict » 17/09/11, 00:33

Ruthenian wrote:If I may, the more people there are on the planet, the more we pollute by breathing (CO2 ...)


Big sigh .... :|

The production of CO2 by living organisms is not not polluting !!!
By breathing, we are content to give back to the atmosphere carbon that we have ingested, and which comes directly or not from .... the atmosphere (photosynthesis ...). The circle is complete.

While the original CO2 fossil is added to the system, which unbalances it ...

Pfff ... Having to explain this again in 2011, that leaves you wondering ...

As for the fact that we are too numerous, it is obvious ... but the concern is our consumption of fossil fuels, not our breathing.
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by dedeleco » 17/09/11, 02:27

Except the day when we make food from petroleum carbon !!!!
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by the middle » 17/09/11, 07:15

dedeleco wrote:Except the day when we make food from petroleum carbon !!!!

Alfred Champagnat, of the French Society of Petroleum BP (SFBP), then had the idea to use this discovery to dewax diesel and then extract protein-rich yeasts, to serve as food for cattle first ... then to the man !

http://paul-lombard.com/savoir_plus_art ... es-37.html
They thought about it! : Cheesy:
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