Wind power: for or against the wind?

[geotrouvetout]

Hello,

for the aesthetic aspect, when we see all these new cities dedicated to winter sports, all these high voltage pylons that cross our countryside, I don't see or can harm some wind turbines, as far as birds are concerned , there is a protected area in the sum and there are quite a few implanted wind turbines and apparently it does not harm them.
It is only a point of view.

Regarding infrasound and ultrasound I have no data, but what about electromagnetic radiation from high voltage lines ???

It is true that when you implant something new it is always scary and as said so well frl in case of any problem a windmill can be dismantled.

In certain reports when it comes to deforesting or encroaching on agricultural land to build ring roads and highways, nobody takes into account the petitions of local residents and other people affected by the ecosystem, but as far as wind turbines are concerned of a minority against so that the projects fall into the water, look for the error.

GEO .

[Former Oceano]

The error is that it is not EDF that installs them ... These are private funds which will then sell the electricity to EDF ...

[bojourvous5094]

"Frl"]

Our friend from Quebec bojourvous5094 is moved by the origin of investors interested in wind turbines (and from there, the destination of the electricity produced).

The only answer I see is what are Quebec investors waiting for to do their job?

Should we prevent the construction of wind turbines because the origin of the funds is not Quebec (or even Hydro)?
You have to think a little wider than the (beautiful) province. I know that in Canada nothing is simple between Francophones and Anglophones. So obviously foreigners arriving with their dollars ...

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Réponse:
This is only my point of view, but as soon as a project is interesting in energy development, it is capital "American" who show up to pick up the profits .... Quebecers do not have the financial means to compete with the transnationals that show up here ... We have already known the electricity sold by private companies which exploited us until the rope ... We have "nationalized" and are still enjoying the benefits ... But the government in place is ready to give everything to the private sector, as soon as surveillance is relaxed ... It has just sold land in the park du Mont-Orford and it closes the Quebec Zoo which is almost 100 years old ... With "friends" like that, we don't need enemies
If you think that resisting American power is simple, look at all the countries they have devastated to serve THEIR interests.
The wallet has no heart, especially if it's American
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"The error is that it is not EDF which installs them ... These are private funds which will then sell the electricity to EDF ..."
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I fully agree with the statement about EDF, the situation is the same here with Hydro-Quebec which has the monopoly and which gives to the private sector to then buy ....

[Other]

Hello FR

Some precision on hydroquebec ..
Hydroquebec, which is like EDF for you, has always done its electricity with water dams, apart from a thermal power station in Tracy (a few km from my home) and a nuclear power station in Gentilly, hydroquebec its name says it Although was mainly specialized on dams and has developed expertise in high voltage transport over very long distances, there is still potential to exploit distant lakes, but for political reasons this has not been achieved. (the American coal lobby which influences autoctones so as not to drown their hunting ground.
therefore hydro has lagged behind in wind technology, it is private companies that are doing the research, and as bojourvous de Lévis says, before planting wind turbines you have to do a wind study to find out how many days annually there are of wind and how fast it blows, this study is complete, it falls in regions in the north in the forest far from civilization, which requires long lines sometimes more than 1000km currently there are 3 large lines of 735 000 volts which go down to the big cities and also to the USA, these lines belong to the state company Hydroquebec a private company cannot use them. (2 lines pass in this favorable wind zone)
The only advantage of a nuclear or thermal power station is that we can build it where there is a demand for electricity.
While a dam or a wind turbine it has to be where there are lakes or there is wind, but in all this you have to make a line, and it's not been many years that we have been able to transport current over long distances. In Quebec, the lines that descend from Manic or Churchil, there is talk of more than 1000km of line to maintain in the forest, in a harsh climate.
It takes posts between that with breeders halfway ect .. I thank you for the technical aspect ..
And now, with all the terrorist threats, a whole staff and surveillance system.
When pure wool quebecois investors it is rather rare it is either American or European, the whole aluminum industry is either Pichené or Alcan all steelworks it is the same thing
for nickel or steel mines, or gold or graphite ect ..
it's a few multinationals that have all the control.
and don't think it is otherwise in your country, the poster you see in front of a factory doesn't mean anything anymore
it quickly changes hands, always under the same name.
that is globalization, big capital has no nationality, there are just small plumzos like us with whom they play the heart of patriotism.
The Quebec problem is not a simple story between French and English speakers. it is a little like making us believe that the problem of Ireland it is between catholic is Protestant.
You have to live there to understand it, but I will not debate here, we are in the propellers and in the wind .....

Andre

[Philippe Schutt]

vtajmb,

perhaps should we see things differently?
if your village is lucky enough to have a site conducive to the installation of wind turbines, then forward!
the aesthetic loss will be largely compensated by the feeling of having done its part to make the planet cleaner.
Most likely, wind power is only a temporary loss, but at least it is reversible and clean. Several laboratories are working to replace silicon with carbon, and when it is ready we will have photovoltaic cells at affordable prices. even if the performance is not good, it will be a serious alternative, because of low pollution, almost invisible and silent manufacturing.
But in the meantime, we have to do with the state of the art, as they say.

[chedavid]

I would like to add an opinion which I think is important to take into account. The gigantic wind turbines are thought to face a problem of "windy" places ... France does not have enough places conducive to the productive development of wind turbines for individuals, and in addition these areas of good wind potential merge (almost) with that of good solar potential, hence the difficulty of combining the two to produce the electricity necessary for everyone.

I learned that it is enough to cover half the surface of the roofs of France with solar panels to meet energy consumption.
but, in parallel, that solar energy polluted 3 to 7 more than wind energy.
I am therefore for wind development, but obviously also for a diversity of energy production!

[OlivierD]

And if we were going to visit this site ?? http://www.ventdecolere.org , and we talk about it again ??

I also believe that large installations, from where they become industrial, have the sole purpose of making money, and come out of an ecological concept ...

Olivier.

[Philippe Schutt]

I also believe that large installations, from where they become industrial, have the sole purpose of making money, and come out of an ecological concept ...

Olivier.

I would love to be a big green capitalist,

[Christophe]

And if we were going to visit this site ?? http://www.ventdecolere.org , and we talk about it again ??

I also believe that large installations, from where they become industrial, have the sole purpose of making money, and come out of an ecological concept ...

Olivier.

Very good site which defends the same point of view as me ( https://www.econologie.com/l-eolien-l-en ... s-123.html ) ... on the other hand as implied in this sentence ...

"VDC fights against the lobby of industrial wind power: SER (AREVA, SHELL, BRITISH PETROLEUM, TOTAL, EDF, VESTAS, ABOWIND, etc.), ADEME and its pharmacies, fundamentalist environmentalists, circumvented mayors, men political supporters of industrial wind power and all those who advocate sectors increasing greenhouse gases, believing that this will save them from nuclear power. This lobby practices a systematic policy of disinformation of politicians and the media. "


... I'm afraid that many of their members are pro nuclear ... see even IN the nuclear lobby of EdF apparently there is no precise list of their members ... (or I haven't yet find )

[frl]

Hello,

If I understand the problem of wind power in Canada:
- Windy places are far from places of consumption
- Very high voltage lines must be built to transport current for km and km
- For it to be interesting you need a lot of production
- Who says strong production says strong investment
- Who says strong investment says foreign funds
- So we do nothing and we consume a lot of oil
It's a self-respecting point of view ...

When it comes to subsidized renewable energy, there is only that:
- the insulation of houses is subsidized (tax credit), let's not forget that the first source of renewable energy in the short term is savings ...
- renewal for more economical boilers ditto
- the installation of the same solar panels
- the purchase of a new vehicle (ecological premium !!!!!)
- "green" fuels cost more to produce than duty-free fuel oil (even in our climate consume more energy than they produce because of fertilizers, treatments, plowing, transport ...)
- wind power is bought more expensive by EDF than it is sold
- the bus ticket (public transport in general) is only sold for one fifth of what it costs ...

So we don't subsidize anything anymore and we consume a max.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT OIL IS NOT ENOUGH EXPENSIVE !!!!

So indeed, there is a choice to be made. We must act quickly. People only see their wallets. Either they have an interest (in the pecuniary sense of the term) in adopting an ecological approach or not. It's the same for investors.
- either we subsidize because today oil is not expensive enough
- either we wait and when it is too expensive it will be too late.

This choice obviously applies to individual and collective (or industrial) investments. In these areas, we do not reason with a ROI at 6 months but at 20 years (or even 40 for a nuclear power plant).

When the winds of anger I recommend them a visit to the Netherlands or Denmark. Why what is possible there is not possible in France where production and consumption are in close areas ...

(for the photo, I prefer that of a wind turbine that burns to that of Chernobyl or that of the burning oil wells, but again this is a choice ..., there is no harm in do good )