Borloo wants to order 40 000 electric vehicles

[Leo Maximus]

A timely information to plead the cause of electric cars:

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It's in Le Monde:
http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2 ... r=RSS-3208

[elephant]

Christophe, I receive your wise and sensible words, but it is society that must first be reformed and "rebalance" the equations of income and profit.

It's not tomorrow the day before that I could keep an acceptable standard of living (therefore charge a sufficient number of hours) and transport all my gear (ladder, stepladder, vacuum cleaner, drills, batteries) to my customers (current radius 30 km , occasional radius 100 km) with an eBike .
This is the case for many technical players.

[I Citro]

The fords as a civil servant's car had already pissed me off ....

You know, most Renault and PSA sold in France are made abroad ... So Fords.
If you want to buy a small French car, apart from the TOYOTA Yaris and the SMART made in France, there isn't much.

As for the VAE, it is far too small and too light for many applications.

Everyone is not called elephant

I think that it is sufficient without any constraint for 10 to 20% of the uses quite to make a three-wheeled e-bike (not very complicated if there is a market behind) ... do not forget that 60-70% of the km traveled by a car are in town or peri-urban.

There remains the question of infrastructure. In Bordeaux, on 4 bridges, 2 bridges are prohibited for the circulation of these vehicles and the others are so poorly arranged that the circulation of 2 wheels is at least uncomfortable, at most DANGEROUS, then 3 wheels ...

So a company car like that of the Post Office ... it tat 100% ...
As for autonomy: with luck the EVs will be capable of 200 km. A VAE can make 70km of origin ... and it much easier to boost autonomy and especially it still advances in the event of breakdown!

VE and VAE already have their use with its autonomy ranges ... Do we really dream of spending three hours a day transporting ... As far as I'm concerned, I consider that COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.

Our VAE consumes 0.07 L / 100 km or EP 0.18 L / 100 km. It has 35 km of autonomy with the trailer (and as you know it's steep with us).

It is not yet transposable everywhere because of infrastructures and mentalities.

I would remind you that the overall balance sheet of an EV, in particular on CO2 (excluding nuke France) is far from being guaranteed advantageous compared to small thermal vehicles ...

Yes, but the energy produced in a delocalized way avoids the local emissions of the vehicles which go well beyond the only CO2 and noise pollution ...
It will always be easier to clean up power plants, or even capture CO2 and other pollutants, not to mention optimizing the output of power stations, particularly through cogeneration, than to clean up millions of thermal vehicles ...

[I Citro]

It's not tomorrow the day before that I could keep an acceptable standard of living (therefore charge a sufficient number of hours) and transport all my gear (ladder, stepladder, vacuum cleaner, drills, batteries) to my customers (current radius 30 km , occasional radius 100 km) with an eBike .
This is the case for many technical players.

With an eBike, no, but with a (used) EV, it's already possible.

What is your current vehicle. Is your vehicle parked at night in a private space or on the public road

[gegyx]

A scan of an article by Forum (La Banque Postale's internal journal), on the latest tests for electric vehicles

https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... RUtUEu.pdf

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I couldn't find the article where it was about upcoming purchases, thousands of cars

[elephant]

Citro wrote:

Do we really dream of spending three hours a day transporting ... As far as I'm concerned, I consider it COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.

This is one of the crux of the problem.

I drive a Peugeot Partner, I have a garage, and I permanently transport 2 ladders and 50 to 150 kg of gear and sometimes another person. Sometimes I go 75 to 120 km from the base.

[I Citro]

I drive a Peugeot Partner, I have a garage, and I permanently transport 2 ladders and 50 to 150 kg of gear and sometimes another person. Sometimes I go 75 to 120 km from the base.

The Peugeot Partner and Citroën Berlingo were manufactured in an electric version.
The Kangoo was also produced in a 100% electric version (kangoo electri'cité model) as well as in an extremely rare series hybrid version (electric model equipped with an on-board generator "range extender") called Electro'Road.
If the ranges that you are announcing seem a little high for the vehicles I am quoting, this is however not insoluble ... With a little organization.

Next year, I intend to take part in the Mobil'éco Challenge which will take place between Bordeaux and Nogaro (250km one way), round trip over a weekend, with a 106 electric series.

[elephant]

In the current "social" structure, I don't think we can organize ourselves: most of these trips are urgent. Large companies can possibly do this using a mixed fleet

There is also the price: a used diesel partner 10 years, 100.000 km is 2500 3000 euros and it still 6 years before being sold 1000 euros.

[C moa]

I don't know if this was said so I put this to you link.

There is still work to be done by the way ....

I think that it is sufficient without any constraint for 10 to 20% of the uses quite to make a three-wheeled e-bike (not very complicated if there is a market behind) ... do not forget that 60-70% of the km traveled by a car are in town or peri-urban.

So a company car like that of the Post ...

+1
Could someone explain to me why we see more and more postman in cars ?? This is true in my small town of 3500 souls but it is also true in large cities.

it appeals to me ...

[Christophe]

Hey, those who shoot the e-bikes: are you on purpose not read some of my words?

I said:

And if at the place of some of these 40 electric cars, the state bought rather massively electric bikes?

I think it is sufficient without any constraint for 10 to 20% of uses

I never said that the VAE could replace 100% of car uses ... and especially not professional independent transport!

On the other hand, I have said and I repeat that in a lot of situations, the VAE would be substitutable for the car!

A car remains a car whether it is electric and thermal!
And moving 1200 kg when it comes to simply moving a useful mass of only 80 kg of "meat", I do not see too much econological interest! Sorry if the image is raw but unfortunately it is often the case ...

Should we recall the figure for the average filling rate of cars in France? 1.3 to 1.6 !!

For company cars this rate must be 1.1 to 1.2 grand max!

How many public euros is that: 10% * 40 * 000 =?
Assuming the state buys the "iOn" or "Miev" !!

Answer: too much!