A cyclonic supercavitation generator at H2O / CO2

[sicetaitsimple]

All of this will end up in private messages for the few interested in building a prototype if I cannot express myself calmly; It would be a shame because I think we all have to gain by adopting Remundo's position: "Wait and see!"

Kind regards.

Yes, be nice to Sylvestre, please.

Okay, let's be nice, but back to basics.

If I understood correctly (if it is not the case thank you to rectify by explaining), the process whatever it is proposed by Sylvestre proposes to transform energy contained in water at room temperature (a twenty degrees) in electricity, and if I also understood, without external energy supply.

It is a thermodynamic process, period, whatever the way it works and the physical steps it goes through to reach the final result. There is energy that will be extracted from the water, that returned in electricity, the ratio of the two constituting the gross yield, if there are additional consumptions to pump water, make something spin, produce CO2 or whatever, it will have to be subtracted to arrive at the net yield.

It seems to me therefore legitimate to ask the question of the theoretical maximum yield of this process, which unless to refute the laws of thermodynamics should be quite low.

We can then ask the question of feasibility.

And finally the cost.

[Remundo]

oh questions, there are some. Personally I have not yet fully understood how it would all work. It seems to me that the "energy lever" would be in the cavitation allowed by CO2 + H2O ...

CO2 is fatally produced in combustion ... so it could be a "free" resource as a first approximation.

[sicetaitsimple]

CO2 is fatally produced in combustion ... so it could be a "free" resource as a first approximation.

Flue gases can actually be considered "free". CO2, although it must be extracted, purified, transported, is not, in particular given the necessary energy consumption.

Otherwise, it would have been a long time since CO2 storage capture was widespread on coal power plants and other large emitters.

[Sylvester spiritus]

Just a word because I have a job,

During his life, V. Schauberger was the witness (rare) of a very particular fire of St-Elme which included CO2 and water vapor.
(A St Elmo fire is a natural crown effect which occurs by peak effect during a depression at sea or in the mountains)
it marked him deeply, he called it the "cold fire" without knowing that he was dealing with a plasma ionizing the surrounding molecules (which we know today).
He notes the formation of a particular water, as came out of the flames which he calls water "ur" (water just born).
Later, he takes up this term by specifying that at a cold temperature (4 ° C) and under certain conditions, free hydrogen can combine with passive oxygen to form this "just born" water.
For me, he witnessed a natural oxy-hydrogen reaction made possible by the ionization of CO2 and water vapor, a kind of partial photolysis of water where CO2 serves as a reaction catalyst.
By delving into atmospheric chemistry, I precisely found that considerable amounts of formic acid (HCOOH) were formed above certain forests. This molecule is a very good supplier of H + ions because it decomposes fairly easily into H2 + CO2.

I would give a more detailed overview of the fundamental molecules H20 and CO2 and their supposed role in this generator as soon as possible ...
You will understand, Sicetaitsimple, that if we are dealing with plasmas and electronic avalanche effects, it will be difficult to establish yields with classical thermodynamics.

HS for tonight.

[sicetaitsimple]

Yes that's it.
Good continuation.
Goodbye.

[Sylvester spiritus]

Hello,

To reframe a little on thermodynamics:
As Sicetaitsimple pointed out, if we only use the thermal energy of water, the yields will be low and we would have to brew large quantities of water ... No, There is something else behind.

Why yields will be difficult to estimate without experimentation:

First: turbulence is a complex phenomenon where singularities appear.
This link to a speaker: the formulas are indigestible but still go from the 35 min to get an idea of ​​the energy dissipation and what it would be without the turbulence (or if we relied on singularities like in the case of a particular vortex tube).
http://culturesciencesphysique.ens-lyon ... re#diapo28

In addition, using the implosion of bubbles makes it possible, thanks to the constraints generated, to initiate chemical reactions at room temperature which would be impossible to carry out otherwise.

Finally, and I mention this in my last message, the Oxy-hydrogen reaction that V. Schauberger was able to observe in the mountains showed him another way of dissociation of the water molecule, much more economical than electrolysis, which involves a plasma by corona effect, and natural catalysts (H2CO3, H2O and CO2, OH, HCOOH) at the temperature where the bonds water hydrogen are the strongest.
(I will come back to this because it is really the crux of the problem, but if you take the diagram again, you can observe the two points facing each other in the central part).
All the ways of cracking water have not been studied and the advantage of V. Schauberger is that he was able to observe it, The lucky guy ...
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craquage_de_l'eau

In summary, it makes the best use of natural phenomena: it imitates the cyclone in this system and plays on two natural plasmas: a corona effect in the center to partially dissociate the water molecule and the implosion at the periphery to recombine it and recover the energy produced.
In my humble opinion, he managed a real tour de force by combining all of this ...

Kind regards.

[Remundo]

yes then experiment, dear Sylvester.

[Sylvester spiritus]

Hello,
I was expecting a bit of reactions regarding thermodynamics ...
I would waste my time making you a lot of speech on the entropy factors (our technology and our way of life which generates disorder) and compare them to the functioning of the Living which, itself, is negentropic (evolution towards forms of self -organizations from + to + complexes).
The vortices, which are found everywhere, from the bathtub to the quantified vortices of a super fluid, are also factors of negentropy because they self-organize when a consequent imbalance must be compensated.
But it would lead to nothing ...

Let's be more concrete and take figures: do you know the vacuum disaster?
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89nergie_du_vide
From 10 power -9 joules to 10 power 113 joules / m3, what value do I take?
If we manage to interact with this energy through the plasma used in the vacuum and in a particular movement (the vortexes); why would thermodynamics stop us?
We have too many barriers in our heads to be able to innovate ...

One last thing, we think that "hot" plasmas (nuclear fusion) will provide solutions.
Rather, it will be "cold" plasmas which, less harmful, could revolutionize our future:
https://lejournal.cnrs.fr/articles/les- ... innovation

A few things that got me thinking:
-With a few tips, a 1,5 v human heart irrigates approx. 60 km of blood vessels.
- Every second, our body is crossed by billions of neutrinos and at the same time, we emit, by beta radioactivity, thousands of anti-neutrinos.
Science still has to progress ... it seems that there are still some who think that the Earth is flat.

Kind regards.

[moinsdewatt]

And it will last like this on this thread for years. It’s already seen.

[izentrop]

Even the theories of quantum mechanics respect the principles of thermodynamics.

Neutrinos is a whole novel https://www.canal-u.tv/video/universite ... ivers.1441