Renewable energies: when we want, we can!

[Christophe]

To bounce back from the slightly provocative title: "when you want, you can" ... I totally agree!

But this one concerns the States ... but what about at the individual level? Because it's easy to always shift the responsibility for inactions onto others! (I'm not targeting anyone and especially not you LeJuste, I know what you do on a daily basis, sun, wood and oil!)

I speak globally in relation to the population.

Huh? Who is moving the ***?

Because among all the new houses that I see under construction, I see very very few with solar water heaters going up during construction !! What is 2 to 3000 € in the budget of a new house ???

Same remark on photovoltaics: if integrated in new construction, no need to pay for the conversion of the roof (finally!): With the subsidies, there is a chance that we will even earn money by doing it. make !!

In fact: PV solar installation price LESS subsidies and state aid and tax credit LESS savings in coverage = can be less than 0 or close to 0 !! It takes less labor time to install 1m² of solar PV panels than 1m² of tiles or slates!

Add to that the financial gains on future electric bills which will pay part of the credit ... well I think not to do it: you just have to be stupid or very poorly informed (as long as it is still viable on the purchase side of the current .. .)

I'm obviously talking about integration in new construction, in existing construction, it's ecological bullshit to do it but "mandatory" in France (under pressure from Edf) to take advantage of the best feed-in tariffs, we had a subject on it: https://www.econologie.com/forums/solaire-ph ... t8138.html

And do not forget that the States have only a limited interest in financing to develop renewable energies too quickly for individuals (there is no VAT on solar radiation ...) ... despite everything they claim ...

When, in the garden, I hear my neighbor's oil boiler turn in the middle of summer (probably only for DHW), while his house, built in 2001, is a large house (surface level therefore cost) ... I can only grieve for them, for the planet and for his children ...

I console myself by turning my head towards my solar panels

[dedeleco]

dedeleco who talks about it too much

no, since Dirk Pitt does not hear like the Japanese, warned in a Geenpeace petition in 2009, which I signed, with: nuclear power cannot be infallible in perpetuity in a country with 100 times more earthquakes than France !!
And now 75% of their nuclear is suddenly shut down and they have to replace it by force.

Dirk Pitt wants this to happen in France with peak oil replaced by nuclear power !!

and totally agree with Christophe, and lots of new houses without chimneys, etc.

Christophe should pass on his excess heat in his 70m3, at the moment, to his neighbor !!!

I must find something to pierce with long extensions and recover this free solar heat without VAT, lost in summer for the winter, at least try !!

[dirk pitt]

Dirk Pitt wants this to happen in France with peak oil replaced by nuclear power !! !!

or did you see that !!
you missed my post on the schedule for plant closures
the mania of provocation take you back?

very little for me. I will not go on this ground there.

[the middle]

There are also people who don't know.
200 m from my home, people are paying a company to put back a facade wall. But there is no insulation between the two walls.
It's to cry.

[Christophe]

Yes to cry ...

but ask Maloche to tell you about the building he's auditing at the Alpes d'Huez!

The whole building is heated to 20 ° C all year round (that there are people at walking pace!) With a single control on the boiler outlet (or the return I don't know the details).

Conclusion: 400 kWh / m².year and 60 L of fuel oil ... it could not be so bad for a building if ... it was not left empty 000% of the time! All this therefore for a ridiculously low occupancy rate (each apartment can be occupied for 80 months in the year on average ... and another 2 months is a lot!)

in "kWh / m².day occupied" it must be within 5 to 10 kWh !!

Madness ... after our actions to scavenge a few kWh here and there, like on the dishwasher connected to the DHW https://www.econologie.com/forums/lave-vaiss ... 10814.html seem well ... futile (globally for the planet ...) ...

[pb2488]

And do not forget that the States have only a limited interest in financing to develop renewable energies too quickly for individuals (there is no VAT on solar radiation ...) ... despite everything they claim ...

False problem: A tax can be replaced by another or by a tax and there are an infinite number of possible solutions to compensate ...
And then, what is the financial interest of a state like ours?

[Christophe]

Apparently you skipped the "too quickly".

Explain to us what could happen if the sales of heating oil would drop by half in 1 year ... Same question for the sales of kWh EdF heating ...

It would be some shortfall that is hard to compensate for in State revenues (starting with VAT on electricity, how much is EDF's turnover?)

I have always considered and I still consider it (even if I have put water in my wine) that State aid for renewable energies (and energy savings) is a means of controlling prices and thus having control over the market and its growth!

Energy is an economically strategic sector for the budget of a State!

Why is the sector which makes it possible to consume less fossil or nuclear energy the most subsidized sector? Huh pkoi?

[dedeleco]

The T-shirts with peak oil without peak nuclear, Dirk-Pitt do not show the disappearance of nuclear at the same time !!

These examples of buildings with maximum thermal losses are staggering !!
The owners pay a maximum price for 2 months !!

Energy is ultimately inexpensive !!

[pb2488]

Explain to us what could happen if the sales of heating oil would drop by half in 1 year ... Same question for the sales of kWh EdF heating ...

At the state level: less revenue via these various taxes.
They just have to raise rates, invent other taxes or levies or do nothing to compensate and widen the deficit a little more (Going from € 150 to € 170 billion can be ...)
But what is the state and its budget?

Why is the sector which makes it possible to consume less fossil or nuclear energy the most subsidized sector? Huh pkoi?

Because technologies that allow less consumption often require heavier investments (eg: traditional house vs bbc, traditional water heater vs solar)

[Christophe]

Because technologies that allow less consumption often require heavier investments (eg: traditional house vs bbc, traditional water heater vs solar)

And developing a new, more fuel-efficient engine doesn't cost much? Research on HDI cost more than a billion € ... at a time when the manufacturers weren't complaining about sucking state subsidies as since the beginning of the 2000s for the "clean car" ... (hum hum. ..)

In this logic, the State should subsidize, much more than it does, the renewal of vehicles since it is a more economical and expensive technology! ... (I reassure you: I am 1000% against but it is to follow your logic ...)

Good to come back to the case of renewable energies at home:

A) I believe they are kept heavy by the vicious system of subsidies / bonuses / tax credits ...

Here is the "theory" for the price of PV: https://www.econologie.com/forums/evolution- ... t5504.html



To compare with the "practical" curve ... Targol had made a humorous curve but maybe not that much after all: https://www.econologie.com/forums/post84249.html#84249



The example of the ökofen pellet boiler is also obvious: the price difference between France and Germany corresponds ... to French aid dixit Did67! (but much less helped in Germany, if not at all)

In Belgium, in solar PV, at the beginning of 2010, the Walloon region withdrew aid, it slowed down among the pros (blablabla ...), but as if by a miracle, the prices have melted by the same amount in the less that followed !!

https://www.econologie.com/forums/arret-de-l ... t8888.html

This means that the premiums are generally 100% margin doping for the pros in many cases, thus inflating customer prices. Then the aid and bonus must be advanced and that is limiting for many households with a "ric rac" budget !!

See https://www.econologie.com/forums/arnaques-e ... t5520.html

So the subsidies, to finish this point A), I believe that it is poisonous aid when you do not find yourself with a tax control in the buttocks: https://www.econologie.com/forums/france-sub ... t5516.html

B) You know very well who "core" (a bit strong as a term but hey ...) if you want to "guide" the decisions of the State ... If you don't know, it's the big companies .. .Edf, GDF, TOTAL, Suez ...

Here, even stronger, to take up the German system: we can, perhaps, make the connection between large historic, powerful, monopolizing and (ex) state / public companies and the presence or not of heavy state subsidies ...

France = large monopoly company = centralized operation = a lot of aid

Germany = no state monopolies = federal operation = much smaller aid

The case of Belgium is between the 2, there is a lot of aid but the operation is federal but the largely majority electricity supply company remains Electrabel = GDF Suez ...

Hypothesis to be verified by those who know the German case better than me (did67?)

The "case" of shale gas is and will be instructive on the pressure and manipulation of oil tankers on the law and government: https://www.econologie.com/forums/interdicti ... 10777.html
(because they will do everything to make the exploitation legally possible ...)

Have another subject on the "question" of solar non-development: https://www.econologie.com/forums/question-s ... t5555.html