Z-machine vs ITER

[Ahmed]

As I have already written, for me, the problem at the industrial level is not the production of energy. There are enormous deposits of negative energy (the one that we do not consume, and therefore that we do not have to produce). I am not talking here about process savings, because in this area, a lot of things have already been done. Perfectly optimized and rational industries correspond to very often harmful, useless and irrational uses: as long as we refuse to consider this aspect we will be all wrong. For example, many industries work to repair the damage caused by others (sometimes belonging to the same group!).
On the point of the mode of energy production, I grant you that the current model is neither satisfactory nor durable.
Roughly, there are 2 types of industries at the level, this time, of the strategy:
1- ind. For example, traditional cars, such as cars and tobacco, are seeing their profits fall and their markets shrinking: they are seeking to restore their margins by focusing on financial activity and investing in new markets.
2- from Ind. who play the "green tec." card, divert ecological themes to their advantage to take advantage of a new and profitable market.
The first deny that the cause of global warming is of anthropic origin, the seconds propose to remedy it ...
It goes without saying that, apart from the cosmetic aspect, these two approaches do not mark any break with the substance. We remain in a productivist perspective which ignores both the material limits of the biosphere and considers the "human factor" only as a producer / consumer.

[Cuicui]

Perfectly optimized and rational industries correspond to very often harmful, useless and irrational uses: as long as we refuse to consider this aspect we will be all wrong. For example, many industries work to repair the damage caused by others (sometimes belonging to the same group!).

Certainly, but until we have everything, what do you propose?

[Ahmed]

Well, to have a little less fake! Any attempt to remedy the means will obscure the question of ends, and will only revive the machine.
In a recent article in "Le Monde" recounting the discovery of a new offshore oil field, in the south of the United States, the commentator heaved a sigh of relief and concluded that it was no longer necessary to change mode of life.

[Cuicui]

Well, to have a little less fake!

Sorry, but getting "less wrong" will not prevent licensed polluters from polluting.
In my opinion, the only way to counter them is to have cheaper non-polluting energy than oil and nuclear fission, which will at the same time stop being profitable.
This will not prevent intelligent energy management, thanks to education, information and awareness.

[Ahmed]

If you invert your last 2 sentences, we will begin to be + in phase!
Replacing oil and atomic energy with something "less worse" would probably be a good thing ... although I see almost a positive side to these 2 sources: they have a limited future (physically). A potentially inexhaustible source would only lead us towards other physical limits, alas ...
At one point in the history of Western civilization, a mistake was made; it had positive and negative things as its consequences. Faith in "progress" gave hope that the negatives would fade and the positives would triumph. Today, that can no longer be deceived and we must recognize the failure because if it is not the energy shortage, it will be food shortage, soil depletion, the accumulation of waste, the aggravation "social fractures" (sic). As I am optimistic, I reassure you all that will not happen at the same time because certain terms are mutually exclusive!

[Cuicui]

If you invert your last 2 sentences, we will begin to be + in phase!

I have no desire to be in tune with anyone. I simply want a concrete solution to intolerable pollution and the fact that a large number of humans do not have access to a minimum of energy.
Solar energy is one of the potentially inexhaustible energies, I do not think it will lead us to a disaster, any more than nuclear fusion plants.
The disaster, it is now partly because of the famous sources of energy with "limited future". We need solutions and not wishful thinking or philosophical considerations of which only wealthy citizens can afford the luxury.

[Remundo]

Solar energy is one of the potentially inexhaustible energies, I do not think it will lead us to a disaster, any more than nuclear fusion plants.
The cat, it is now, it takes a solution and not wishful thinking.

Absolutely, except that solar is operational now, and not in 100 years like civil thermonuclear fusion.

On the other hand, the sun is precisely thermonuclear fusion, the Earth collects only a very small part of the radiation that represents 10 000 times human needs and without radioactive waste ... E = mc²

[Cuicui]

not in 100 years like civil thermonuclear fusion.

This is precisely not to have to wait 100 years that it is urgent to launch studies on the fusion by magnetic necking, without radioactive waste.
The sun is certainly free, but its capture is expensive, and in our latitudes, it is not often present. Before we can make everything work with solar energy, we may wait more than 100 years! And in the meantime, fossil fuel or nuclear fission power plants will continue to pollute. It is high time to stop here.

[Remundo]

Very well Cuicui ... I knew that I will make you out of the Vosges wood by promoting the solar

I know you're a strong believer in necking. For my part, I remain an eternal skeptic about this technology for many reasons that we have already vigorously debated ...

See you soon !

[Cuicui]

For my part, I remain an eternal skeptic about this technology

As long as this technology has not been studied seriously, it will be reduced to beliefs (partisans against skeptics), which is not very serious ...
According to physicist Jean-Pierre Petit, building a z-machine more powerful than that of the Americans to learn to control the result of magnetic necking would take 8 months and cost 1 / 200 ITER. Taking this amount out of the ITER budget would not change much on this program, but would change everything with regard to research on magnetic necking. So, what are we waiting for?