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by pb2488 » 14/04/11, 06:57

Here is the carbon "tax":

Total CEO Christophe de Margerie believes that the liter of super climbs to 2 euros,

http://www.ouestfrance-auto.com/actu_ca ... s_3417.htm
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by sherkanner » 14/04/11, 09:12

You have to find anything to divert attention.
Nuclear disasters are not good for lobbies, so they ask their other buddies for help ...

And then the subject is not new. I remember it was already discussed in 2005 (I would be unable to find a link)
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by Remundo » 14/04/11, 09:40

Big Mustache is absolutely right on this one.

What is incredible is that we know that gasoline will be at 2 € / L in the short term (<2 years) for a very long time.

And that absolutely nothing has been done to get around the problem, on the contrary !! We screw up the NiCad electric traction supposedly because it pollutes, we trash the PV, we only promote the VE in speeches and not in factories, etc ...

I fear that the future looks like everyone for himself. There are those who will have (very rare) EVs (scooter or car), preferably NiCd, and even means of electrical production (even rarer), and those who will not have them (the majority). The latter will only go to work for the pump attendant and the state.

The shock of the depletion of hydrocarbons is imminent.
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by sherkanner » 14/04/11, 09:50

I also think that they are trying to keep their (super profitable) business model, just by replacing petroleum fuels with non-petroleum fuels but compatible with the existing network.
Ethanol, bio-gas, and above all hydrogen (taking over / developing the LPG network) ...

They especially do not want a network that escapes their control ie: electric.

Long live the lobbies, they want us only goods ... : Evil:
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by Christophe » 14/04/11, 11:57

Remundo wrote:What is incredible is that we know that gasoline will be at 2 € / L short term (<2 years) for a very long time.


Uh it's a bit paradoxical as a sentence isn't it? : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:

The problem with such a "rapid" increase in road fuels is that it will hamper the real economy more than help develop solutions... since on transport they are almost non-existent!

I think heating oil at € 1 and up will "shake things up" more significantly ...

2 to 3000 € bill each year, people will finally set their thermostats to 17-18 ° C and think of alternative equipment ... it will have taken time!

As already said N times on this forum: money is the most powerful ecological motivation!
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by Remundo » 14/04/11, 13:27

nothing paradoxical, remember 2008. That's what I was thinking in particular.

I have informed several times about peak oil here and elsewhere. The stuff has been big as a house for about 5 years. that's it, it's starting to whip. This is just the beginning.

Money is nothing more than an artificial means of exchange, a figure on which a buyer and a seller agree to exchange goods or services,

But basically, only access to physical and intellectual resources compte.
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by sherkanner » 14/04/11, 14:05

Well, I'm going to have to invest in PV before he has the additional fees to make up for the shortfall in oil ...
This is what I see coming ...
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by Christophe » 14/04/11, 14:42

Remundo wrote:nothing paradoxical, remember 2008. That's what I was thinking in particular.


Ah it's just that "a very long time" for me is "a little" more than 2-3 years : Cheesy: : Cheesy:

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by Did67 » 14/04/11, 18:30

Christophe wrote:
I think heating oil at € 1 and up will "shake things up" more significantly ...

2 to 3000 € bill each year, people will finally set their thermostats to 17-18 ° C and think of alternative equipment ... it will have taken time!

As already said N times on this forum: money is the most powerful ecological motivation!


1) If petrol is € 2, fuel oil will be around € 1,30 (unless the tax regime changes significantly). So he didn't say that, but it is obvious ...

2) The drama, I repeat too, is that we were not screwed up to manage the oscillations around the trend. A kind of smoothing by a floating TIPP (or a carbon tax - what the majority had shouted here just over a year ago when it was discussed ... I had already tried to 'explain that energy had to be made more expensive to save it more profitable).

Result, with these zigzags which are much more important than the general trend (smoothing):

- when prices rise sharply, the most worried and pessimistic people think that it will last and change their habits, their heating method, their vehicle [I am in this category]; others think it's just a "crisis", the fault of the Taliban, Bush, Gaddafi, TotalFinaElf and the speculators [either or all: tick the boxes, depending on your mood]; in short, the cicadas are waiting for it to drop again!

- when prices drop, they are convinced that they were right, that there was really no need to panic ... the cicadas start singing again, buy Iphone or Ipad; "Hey, the new Picasso is not bad" ... Those who like me have sold off their fuel boiler and bought a pellet boiler, see the TRI grow longer ... they are in doubt ... they trumpet less ... low profile...

The big cheap addictive oil shoot resumes; forward smash ...

However, I saw a curve in "Alternatives Economiques" which shows very clearly - and I therefore agree with remundo - that the upward trend is accelerating in geometric progression ...

The dose will cost more and more. And we are surprised that society is becoming more and more violent! Does that mean anything to you, craving? My dose at all costs, even if it means snatching the bag from the old woman ... What society are we preparing for ????

The cicadas sing before probably being brutally disillusioned!
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by Christophe » 14/04/11, 19:34

The manufacturers and sellers of stoves, wood and pellets will be rubbing their hands soon but not as much as oil tankers and other Gaddafi ...

For our oil addiction, there was a greenpeace campaign not long ago:

https://www.econologie.com/forums/petrol-add ... 10467.html

https://www.econologie.com/petrol-addict ... -4328.html

ps: "the TRI lie down" koiça ???
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