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by Christophe » 09/03/11, 21:07

dedeleco wrote:In my opinion life was harder 50 years ago for smicards !!


Well that's what these curves say right? : Cheesy:
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by pb2488 » 09/03/11, 21:17

Christophe wrote:Well, don't worry, you apparently forgot this link in your previous answer! : Cheesy:

Yes. I'm not fooling around, I'm confused. :? :? :? (Confused)
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by Sanson » 10/03/11, 09:03

dedeleco wrote:In my opinion life was harder 50 years ago for smicards !!
I would rather say that the smicards did not have a car (s)!

The moped, the blue (If you know) was for the supervisors (Foremen, at the time), the workers, they rode on bicycles.

The DS, being the boss's vehicle.
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by Macro » 10/03/11, 09:21

Actuellement

TIC capped at 61.42 € per hectare for gasoline 44 € 19 for diesel5 Almost all regions of France are at the ceiling ...
Except some privileged people like the IDF, Poitou Charente and Corsica whose general councils make some flowers to their citizens ...
57 € 92 of TIC for Corsican petrol and 41.69 for diesel

VAT on the Tic calculated on the impossible value of 41 € 74 for petrol and 45 € 20 for diesel (to be able to make more significant VAT rebates for professionals)

Another abbérration ... The petrol aviation private tourism supports only 35.90 € of TIC and 30.20 for the kéro avia private use. For your private displacements made like them: fly

Where we see the real price of a liter of diesel is by asking a fisherman how much he pays ... Because zero ICT, zero VAT
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by Macro » 10/03/11, 09:43

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dedeleco wrote:In my opinion life was harder 50 years ago for smicards !!
I would rather say that the smicards did not have a car (s)!

The moped, the blue (If you know) was for the supervisors (Foremen, at the time), the workers, they rode on bicycles.

The DS, being the boss's vehicle.


My old man had a 4cv when he was a farm worker in 65, a P60 when he returned to the factory in 69 ... In 71 he built a house (an F4 on basement prefabricated concrete) for 92 frans : Cheesy: in 74 he bought a new friend8 for 4000 and some francs delivered with the full SVP ... in 76 an R16 ...

The DS it was the car of the notary of the doctor or the veto ... (rural environment) The owners it was already jaguar and mercedes

Smicard all his life ... Smicard mom + 15%. 3 children at home ...
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by Leo Maximus » 10/03/11, 10:17

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Leo Maximus wrote: https://www.econologie.com/taxation-fisc ... -3471.html

Christophe, you would have to update your pie charts, they smell old: the liter is no longer at 1,02 €! :D


Yes but the rates remain the same, so just make a rule of 3!

And then on a Camembert it is the% that we remember, right?

Yes, except that these pie charts give euros not% : Shock: . Then there is mixing of the TIPP (fixed amount) with percentages ... :?: It's misleading (voluntarily?), And it's not surprising that we hear that the higher the price at the pump, the higher the percentage of TIPP! : Lol:

It would be necessary to remake these pie charts correctly with amount in € plus the percentage when it is a percentage and we would have some surprises. For example, we hear that the TIPP on the GO is 85% of the price including VAT while 42,84 cts on 1,40 € that makes approx. 30% not 85%.

If that interests you I can remake you correct fresh pie charts with today's figures, with the TIPP by region possibly, and also the price at the pump if we removed the TIPP. In fact I already have a large part of the data in Excel with my consumption for years, it will suffice for me to make pie charts.

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by Did67 » 10/03/11, 10:20

Christophe wrote:
Did67 wrote:] 2) That said, it is only the tree that hides the forest: the upward trend in the prices of petroleum products has been constant since the 2000s, with two peaks (early 2008 and currently).

If these "peaks" served us as a sentinel, as "orange light"rather than a subject to complain about ???

So as for the carbon tax and some other debates here (photovoltaic), I will be charized by writing that there are not enough peaks!


Yes except that:

Christophe plus wrote:a) slow rise = change behavior and make alternatives competitive = YES
b) rapid rise = sinking the economy (and that's what will happen) = enriching a minority = NO


We are rather in the case b) right?


Yes, but :

- economically, you're right

- psychologically, slow increases, you get used to it; the sudden increase, that can "challenge" ...

I was in the "electroshock" which leads to reconsider its consumption choices, especially in energy.

If then we "reflect" (which is different from the electroshock which led to the reflection), it is only on the averages and even the extrapolations that we are going to do it.

I suggest you draw / ball in the center ??? What does the referee say?
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by Leo Maximus » 10/03/11, 10:24

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dedeleco wrote:In my opinion life was harder 50 years ago for smicards !!
I would rather say that the smicards did not have a car (s)!

The moped, the blue (If you know) was for the supervisors (Foremen, at the time), the workers, they rode on bicycles.

The DS, being the boss's vehicle.

We had seen that in "the car of the future" around page 100. The equivalent of the 1956 DS (1 million old francs) is 60000 euros today.

Ditto for fuels, 1 liter of ordinary was 88 francs old, a 1/2 h or 3/4 h of SMIG, enough to do 10 or 15 km! : Lol:

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by Christophe » 10/03/11, 10:48

Macro wrote:Another abbérration ... The petrol aviation private tourism supports only 35.90 € of TIC and 30.20 for the kéro avia private use.


Uh and the pro kero (commercial aviation) it is taxed how?

Macro wrote:Where we see the real price of a liter of diesel is by asking a fisherman how much he pays ... Because zero ICT, zero VAT


Uh zero VAT are you sure? It pays the same price as the FOD right?

Ah no it has changed in recent months: more red in navy, must take ... blue I think?

ps: ok did for the ball in the center but I find you, compared to the normal, very "incisive" at the moment ... see my last MP!
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by Macro » 10/03/11, 11:18

There is no tax for the commercial aircraft keros

Diesel fuel has always been blue and fully zero-rated and cheaper than fuel oil .. Which is subject to 5 € 66 of TIC per ectolitre
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