Grandstand to sign on peak oil

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Should the Peak Oil be an important subject of the presidential campaign?

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by Exceed » 02/04/12, 20:23

I still ask myself a question .... What would be the best way to justify the increase in petroleum in a world where the economy dominates?
Do we really find expertise independent quantifying the remaining oil?
I say that, I say nothing, I do not know but if I wanted to collect more cash with my oil, I would be smart enough to say that it becomes rare therefore more expensive ... Logical right?
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by dedeleco » 02/04/12, 21:10

Without wanting to criticize Eva Joly, I think he would have made a better candidate for the Greens.


Horror and desolation, an unconditional nuclear pro to irradiate us, among the greens !!!!
Certainly not !!

I do not share this thought at all, of course, Eva Joly does not have the blood of a Mélanchon, in speech, this is the essential problem,
Cohn Bendit, yes, would have been much better, beefier, like the C Duflot, young but powerful, which has a great future !!
It is the responsibility of the greens, crab basket, very regrettable.

But the contempt of Jancovici, certainties of technologist, is much worse, to make flee !!!
Jancovici comes out of the ecological arguments of the Nuclear Lobby, to reduce CO2, correct, especially to multiply nuclear power plants.

Identical to the argument of the 70s, announced much worse, for before the year 2000, nothing more no oil, at all, completely depleted, and therefore, it was essential to increase the number of nuclear power stations throughout France, if not a disaster before 2000 !!
Jancovici remains in this straight line, surfing on the CO2 removed by nuclear power, therefore to be developed.

I don't see Jancovici promoting www.dlsc.ca , storage of heat underground for months, which flows nuclear power, hot storage essential for solar energy, developed for much less than an EPR, remaining dangerous, with its price doubled !!
Same for algae.

I do not see Jancovici showing, what is proven, that gas and coal are in such quantities that we can multiply CO2 by 10, which erases any oil spike, (petroleum synthesized easily with gas and coal ), and proved by the heat stroke, 56 million years ago, by such a spontaneous release of gas, giving 10 ° C to + 15 ° C more on all the earth, and the seas 70m higher .

With the 20m higher of the seas observed, 3 million years ago and a CO2 similar to the current one, these are exact proofs, without the least simulation of the climate of the earth, simple real observation of the past climate of the earth in similar conditions, and therefore much more convincing, without endless discussion.

Also peak oil remains an illusion, as in 1970, because gas and coal are enough to make oil for a very long time.
Talking about peak oil and exhaustion is a misleading argument, while overheating is crucial, indisputable, if we continue to burn what is available, with a peak oil which is constantly decreasing (since the 1970s), but a warming and a rise in sea levels, which means that the growth of CO2 must be stopped, without any real exhaustion of fossil fuel sources.

Our children, with nuclear power, the radioactive spawn of the planet, and the rise of acidified seas, some both we will blame it strongly, our unconsciousness.

So you have to develop solar, simple, so that it becomes cheaper than oil, then it will be immediately resolved !!
Storage, soil, algae, etc. is a crucial component.
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by Ahmed » 02/04/12, 21:22

Certainly, as said Sen-no-sen, peak oil (in the strict sense) will have important consequences, but much more essential, it is itself one of the consequences of extractivism.
Extractivism affects all aspects of our life, and a simple conversion to solar would be an illusion as long as this dimension of the problem was not tackled.
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by dedeleco » 02/04/12, 22:40

The Grandstand on the Peak Oil
is a beautiful collection from the petroleum-nuclear lobby !!

Pierre René Bauquis - Former Strategy and Planning Director of the Total group

Yves Cochet - Member of the European Parliament, former Minister of the Environment

Jean-Marc Jancovici - Consulting engineer, President of The Shift Project

Jean Laherrère - President ASPO France, former boss of exploration techniques for the Total group

Yves Mathieu - Former Head of the Global Petroleum Resources Project at the Institut Français du Pétrole

Philippe Labat - Petroleum consultant engineer

Jean-Luc Wingert - Consulting engineer, ASPO France

http://tribune-pic-petrolier.org/

They are going to make the prices go up thus, and more profits, with this fear as in 1972, the clique of enarchs of the same type, with the end of oil before the year 2000, filled France with nuclear power plants, until to the inevitable future Fukushima in France.

They forget abiotic gas and oil, Russian dissidents !!
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by Christophe » 02/04/12, 23:36

Remundo wrote:Without wanting to criticize Eva Joly, I think he would have made a better candidate for the Greens.


This is what I also said to myself by reading the latest proposals from the FNH (but I no longer find the subject ... where we talked about it a few days ago ...) and especially by seeing Joly's blunders ... : Cry:
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by dirk pitt » 03/04/12, 08:05

dedeleco wrote:
They are going to make the prices go up thus, and more profits, with this fear as in 1972, the clique of enarchs of the same type, with the end of oil before the year 2000, filled France with nuclear power plants, until to the inevitable future Fukushima in France.

They forget abiotic gas and oil, Russian dissidents !!


86million barrels PER DAY extracted from the earth. it would surprise me that we can do as much with the ancillary productions: coal to oil, pseudo abiotic or micro-algae or anything else.
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by Christophe » 03/04/12, 09:19

What about dirk pitt? It will be an energy mix! There will be no single replacement for petroleum ...

But by replacing an empty offshore well or platform with a microalgae factory, we could start to make things happen ...

At $ 40 a barrel ex-factory price according to BFS what prevents it from doing so?

Look, the FNH has just launched a campaign:

Agrofuel, wood, coal, wind, gas, hydroelectricity, nuclear, petroleum, solar photovoltaic… The range of energy solutions is wide, the issues complex. Not easy to navigate. A question of experts, you will say? Well, not at all ! By launching the "Energy is my choice" campaign, we want to show you through A + B that the energy of tomorrow is everyone's choice!
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by dirk pitt » 03/04/12, 11:08

if we stay on "liquid" energies to compare to 86M barrels / day, I have no precise data in mind but it seems to me that the production rates of the Fischer-Tropsch or GTL or microalgae type processes are still very very far even imagining notable improvements.
if someone has the numbers, it would be interesting.
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by Christophe » 03/04/12, 11:18

There are probably the figures on wiki at least for Fisher-tropsh (has been used a lot in South Africa).

Obviously, for the moment it is very marginal as production on a global scale ...

Besides, it's even strange that at $ 40 / barrel it does not grow BFS factories wherever possible (there was a project in the south of France I think) ...

In all cases, since there is no direct replacement for the "oil king", it will be necessary to consume better (mix) and less (efficiency) ...
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by Did67 » 03/04/12, 11:44

dedeleco wrote:I do not share this thought at all, of course, Eva Joly does not have the blood of a Mélanchon, in speech, this is the essential problem,
Cohn Bendit, yes, would have been much better, beefier, like the C Duflot, young but powerful, which has a great future !!
It is the responsibility of the greens, crab basket, very regrettable.

But the contempt of Jancovici, certainties of technologist, is much worse, to make flee !!!
Jancovici comes out of the ecological arguments of the Nuclear Lobby, to reduce CO2, correct, especially to multiply nuclear power plants.
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Fully agree !

Janco, like some other brilliant minds (Rocard for example), is not however capable of reasoning "otherwise".

Now it is a break with classical thought that is necessary. Get out of the paradigm that our "happiness", our "well-being" is linked to the "quantity of goods and services" available.

Janco, as a good polytechnician, is not there at all.

Rocard, in his latest book, apparently (according to articles - I haven't read the book yet) recognizes that among the 5 or 6 events that marked his life, there were his love at first sight, and other personal events. Then to better defend nuclear power? Aging at Rocard? Something of his curvy thought escaped me - despite the dazzling ability to think transversely ...

[In this regard, watch the closing conference by Edgar Morin on the occasion of Forum "Liberation" of Rennes: http://www.liberation.fr/promo-libe/060 ... -de-rennes ; another dazzling "transversal" spirit despite his age; or because of his age? - I say that seen mine !!!]
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