The origin of oil: abiotic or biological?

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by moinsdewatt » 20/11/11, 12:18

dedeleco wrote:.........
Where does the methane from chlatarates come from, especially at very great depths, which are very real and not theoretical ????
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Well when you do not know start looking a little instead of invoking the messy theories of some enlightened Russians. :P

OceanicThere are two distinct types of oceanic deposit. The most common is dominated (> 99%) by methane contained in a structure I clathrate and generally found at depth in the sediment. Here, the methane is isosujetally light (δ13C <-60 ‰) which indicates that it is derived from the microbial reduction of CO2. The clathrates in these deep deposits are thought to have formed in situ from the microbially produced methane, as the δ13C values ​​of clathrate and surrounding dissolved methane are similar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate
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by dedeleco » 20/11/11, 12:31

the messy theories of some enlightened Russians.

among the Russians, and elsewhere, there was everything, crazy crazy madmen and also geniuses who were right, denigrated, to the point of being recognized !!

So you have to apply the scientific method, instead of peremptorily rejecting a contemptuous setback, you have to analyze the real facts, arguments, explain in detail the errors, the false statements, be wary of possible errors as a result of the novelty, dominant habits or theory, sometimes false appearances, and not being sure until the evidence is irrefutable.

Science is full of such past errors, totally forgotten after !!!

. The clathrates in these deep deposits are thought to have formed in situ from the microbially produced methane, as the δ13C values ​​of clathrate and surrounding dissolved methane are similar


are thought
is equivalent to "we think that" which is very far from a certainty but more a clue in favor which could be misleading, as in many other cases of the history of science !!!!!
Read 10 to 20 years of Pasteur's struggle against the proponents of spontaneous generation (between 1860 and 1880) which seemed obvious at first sight !!!

The solar system is stuffed with C and H, having given totally abiotic CH4 (Titan for example), and therefore why on earth there would be no abiotic left in the depths of the earth ???
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28lune%29
It is absurd to believe that it has completely disappeared and that only microbes have recreated it !!!!
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by sen-no-sen » 20/11/11, 12:50

If the oil was abiotic there would be oil eruptions ... this is not confirmed by observations, except that in BP kidding!
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by Ahmed » 20/11/11, 13:03

Peremptory affirmation, Sen-no-sen, who knows if Dedeleco, by drilling holes everywhere, will not spout abiotic oil? :D
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by sen-no-sen » 20/11/11, 13:14

Ahmed wrote:Peremptory affirmation, Sen-no-sen, who knows if Dedeleco, by drilling holes everywhere, will not spout abiotic oil? :D


: Lol: and it pays big!

"Dedelcoil company"

: Cheesy:
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by dedeleco » 20/11/11, 14:25

Funny fun !!!

In 1900 in the USA in the south, or in Baku, each hole produced black gold !!!
So I'm a century too late for !!!
"Dedelcoil company"

and not enterprising and crazy enough !!
but these old not deep holes can be used to store solar heat for the winter and end the use of petroleum and nuclear power !!

Nevertheless the volcanoes emerge full of CO2 (which has even asphyxiated populations) and a tiny bit of methane which has not burned in CO2 and H20 with atmospheric O2 in the heat of the volcano !!

So your argument is misleading, not convincing!
If the oil was abiotic there would be oil eruptions ... this is not confirmed by observations, except that in BP kidding!


and it is enough to dig very deep to see emerging from the abiotic, what the Russians claim !!

Finally, you are too certain that there is absolutely nothing left on earth of abiotic methane from the solar system !!!!

In addition, 56 million years ago, methane exploded in huge pockets underwater (too hot sea) and multiplied by 10 the CO2 with 15 ° C more everywhere on earth !!!!
We risk starting this process again, which will become inexorable if we warm the ocean floor, which has become inexorable over 1000 years, before this gigantic explosion, identical to that of 56 million years ago !!
Inexorable, because we have no way of reducing CO2, above the threshold triggering global warming, where we will be waiting for the ultimate disaster without being able to do anything, exactly as 15000 to 8000 years ago, we could not have done anything in front of the 120m sea rise, inexorable at more than 2m per century !!

Exactly, you are certain, like almost all politicians, are certain that it is not credible that we can get out of our nuclear perfectly safe, reliable, infallible in perpetuity with our French nuclear super-mans, and who threaten millions of unemployed, and other calamities, much worse than an entire region emptied, sterilized for centuries, with a Fukushima-Chernobyl and nobody says the reality:
we are lucky, most nuclear-weapon country in the world, not yet to have had a Chernobyl-Fukushima and therefore hurry to get out of it quickly before it happens, inevitable sooner or later, by multiplying the renewable to replace nuclear and petroleum, with lots of innovations, instead of betting everything on nuclear doomed to failure and disasters !!

Unlike the Germans with less nuclear power, we didn't understand anything !!

We will inevitably end up sooner or later with a Fukushima-Chernobyl and a whole empty region !!
Then it will be much more unemployed and irradiated !!

Instead of ridiculing with:
who knows if Dedeleco, by dint of drilling holes everywhere, will not spout abiotic oil?

try to promote simple and smart copies of www.dlsc.ca
solution for the future renewable bein simpler than nuclear and ITER !!

Find me 10m drilling extensions on a hole punch that I don't know where to find !!

Those who are lucky enough to be on sand make 25 hole wells as on:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/post216304.html#216304
http://www.onpeutlefaire.com/forum/topi ... ou-forage/

and also find it simple to drill into the hard and inject to make waterproof !!

Then the simple renewable will become as efficient and not more expensive than nuclear and oil to heat after free in perpetuity !!

Finally for the moment, gas, oil, etc ... and all the nonrenewable, is not expensive, because the local taxes are 3 times the invoice of the heating, even in a not new house !!!!
And so it is better to vote to reduce these taxes, to make fun of our grandchildren, than for their future, to stop the rise in CO2, !!
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by sen-no-sen » 20/11/11, 14:47

dedeleco wrote:
So your argument is misleading, not convincing!
If the oil was abiotic there would be oil eruptions ... this is not confirmed by observations, except that in BP kidding!


and it is enough to dig very deep to see emerging from the abiotic, what the Russians claim !!



Corrigendum: what the Russians claimed ... (this is theory dating from the 50s).
Even if the absence of abiotic oil is not demonstrated, the fact remains that almost all of the oil is of fossil origin, and, whatever it in itself in limited reserve.
If Iraq has been invaded, it is not for nothing, the powers are well aware of peak oil.
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by dedeleco » 20/11/11, 15:12

(this is theory dating from the 50s)

that the Russians continue to confirm currently !!!

the fact remains that almost all of the oil is of fossil origin, and, whatever it in itself in limited reserve.
If Iraq has been invaded, it is not for nothing, the powers are well aware of peak oil.

it is above all easy oil, a jackpot and also manipulations to pump a maximum of money by multiplying the disasters, everything beneficial for the initiated (September 11, Iraq war with weapons of mass destruction can, subprimes, debts of the states following their bailout of banks, war against Iran with the bomb, etc.).
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peak oil
in 1970 was announced for before the year 2000, with our pumps empty and it is always for later !!
The current very real warming, is well started, on the contrary and will become inevitable well before the
peak oil

with my old gas heater, which has become much more expensive than my local taxes, whereas currently, it's the opposite, these local taxes more than 3 times, this ineffective heating in a fairly colander house, which means that I will not save anything by reducing it to zero by drilling holes !!!
The local tax peak is much faster than that of the non-renewable, I note personally !!

So we have underground and oceans, enough to multiply CO2 by 10, as happened spontaneously 56 million years ago !!!

So no peak non-renewable fuels !!!

Much more rare metals peak !!!
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by sen-no-sen » 20/11/11, 15:47

If you have recent studies to submit on the subject of abiotic oil, I am interested.
Because the latter seems to be more interested in alternative sites and various hazardous theories than scientists.

in 1970 was announced for before the year 2000, with our pumps empty and it is always for later !!


On the contrary, it was a very good forecast, the peak oil probably took place in 2008.
And not peak oil is not at all synonymous with empty pump, it is simply the maximum that can be produced, we are now in the downward phase, depletion.
It is precisely to offset an explosion in oil prices that the United States under the guise of fighting terrorism launched their crusade on the Middle East ... oddly the area where conventional oil is the most accessible.
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by dedeleco » 20/11/11, 16:05

Always wikipedia with pros and cons view:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
http://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/ar ... gine-98577

Not easy to be certain and therefore admitting the two possibilities is the safest !!
and lots of all kinds to read on google:
http://www.google.fr/search?num=100&hl= ... 6.2.1l20l0

http://www.google.fr/search?num=100&hl= ... l0.1.4l5l0

and since we find microbes at Km underground, it is inseparable from the biotic, with microbes using it to live !!!!


strangely the area where conventional oil is most accessible.

but not strangely at all, the easiest, ensures the max of money in this capitalism of the max disaster !!!
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