Diesel at the same price as gasoline!

[freddau]

In the news

in several countries the price of expensive gasoline triggers crowd movements ....

Indonesia: students protest
taiwan: people are rushing to the pumps
bulgaria: truckers strike or demonstrate i don't know

[martien007]

I believe that the new value of the vehicle - Citroën tariff - was € 27 in 000 (the C2006 has completely changed). This is the exclusive finish.

If you dig a little on the Internet, you will see that there is business to be done with what I call "grandpa cars": gasoline engine, low mileage (I found ten C5s less than 30 000 km / less than 3 years), top-of-the-range finishes, often most of the options and "punctilious" maintenance. Of course, you have to buy in the calf line (for example the Xantia or C5 at Citroën - who has already seen a youngster in these models?) And not a kéké vehicle (Golf or Alfa Romeo ...). You compare with HDI / dCI of the same age and the same mileage and you will see that it costs 2 € per month (on average).

It is indeed a toric tank in place of the spare wheel / volume 72 liters or 55 to 60 useful liters (80% of maximum filling).

I opted for the LIQUIDE sequential injection system, 300 € HT more expensive than the sequential gas injection. There is less maintenance (no filter). And a priori, it is a little more efficient (it is easier to precisely dose a liquid than a gas, the expansion of the gas in the intake cools the intake pipes and increases the filling of the cylinders). So it would reduce overconsumption.

I make a round trip Alsace / Burgundy this weekend, I could give you a first approximation of consumption. Unfortunately, the 2.0 l 16 V from PSA is not a masterpiece of sobriety. We can not have everything !

OK did67, Thank you for this info. I feel that there are going to be some great deals to be made with the large petrol and even diesel sedans .... because many owners will buy small cars that consume little.

[georges100]

Do you mean that many bought large sedans which they did not use ????

[martien007]

Do you mean that many bought large sedans which they did not use ????

Surely and also as they drive little, they panic because of the rising cost of gasoline and buy a smaller and less greedy vehicle.

Will go see on ebay although no need to buy a car for now, but it is on that 12000 euros for such a car of 3 years at 23000 km ald 27000 euros new, it is a hell of a deal.

Frankly you have to be crazy to buy new.

For now Hdi diesels are selling more expensive, but it may not last because of the increase in the price of diesel and the fragility of high pressure direct injection engines (Hdi, Cdi) which risk to be very expensive to repair in the event of an engine failure (pump and injectors).

I always see in consignment sale, a 406 Hdi break from 2003 with 130000 km on the clock, on sale for more than 6 months at 10000 euros.

Frankly, it is better to buy the C5 gasoline from 2005 / 23000 km at 12000 euros and raise the LPG as did67.

With petrol, no particulate filter to regenerate.

did67 wrote :

I opted for the LIQUIDE sequential injection system, 300 € HT more expensive than the sequential gas injection. There is less maintenance (no filter). And a priori, it is a little more efficient (it is easier to precisely dose a liquid than a gas, the expansion of the gas in the intake cools the intake pipes and increases the filling of the cylinders). So it would reduce overconsumption

What brand ? can you tell me a site where this system is described?

In cash, can we start with LPG or do we even start with petrol?

The maintenance cost of 180 euros for every 15000 kms mentioned in the forum GPL (fievez) is this a reality or a scam? because if it's true it changes everything about the cost of LPG.

[martien007]

Another more economical solution to drive inexpensively with this C5: an E85 "bioethanol" box with $415 ...

The problem is the lack of an E85 distribution network and it will not develop because of the criticisms on agrofuels.

Otherwise, it is a solution that is much cheaper than mounting the LPG.

It remains to be seen whether the E85 does not damage these petrol engines?

[Former Oceano]

Do not forget the turbo on most diesel.
When it drops, the FAP rots and must be changed in the process if the turbo has not been repaired quickly.
A couple of friends told me about the hiss that their Picasso HDI had started making ten days ago.
I told them it was the turbo and quickly got it fixed. The Picasso is 3 years old, they went to Citroën. Verdict:
Turbo at 1900 € + thermal sensors (?) To change.
Turbo-diesel is good, it's expensive, and to repair is very expensive ...

[martien007]

Do not forget the turbo on most diesel.
When it drops, the FAP rots and must be changed in the process if the turbo has not been repaired quickly.
A couple of friends told me about the hiss that their Picasso HDI had started making ten days ago.
I told them it was the turbo and quickly got it fixed. The Picasso is 3 years old, they went to Citroën. Verdict:
Turbo at 1900 € + thermal sensors (?) To change.
Turbo-diesel is good, it's expensive, and to repair is very expensive ...

thank you for the info.

The list goes on of breakdowns on diesels which are expensive to repair.

I'm not ready to buy a diesel, that's for sure.

Why don't you try to run your Skoda at E85?

There is a guy here on the forum which simply replaced the fuel jets and modified the advance on its 205 and it works very well, especially when you live in the South.

In Marseille there are + several pumps according to what I saw on the map (244 pumps in France).

It's pastekos I think.

[Christophe]

History to refresh our memories: https: //www.econologie.com/prix-des-carburants-et-autres-energies-en-france-de-2004-a-2006-telechargement-3824.html

Diesel price in 2004: 0,89
SP95 ESSENCE PRICE in 2004: 1,06

[Did67]

What brand ? can you tell me a site where this system is described?

In cash, can we start with LPG or do we even start with petrol?

The maintenance cost of 180 euros for every 15000 kms mentioned in the forum GPL (fievez) is this a reality or a scam? because if it's true it changes everything about the cost of LPG.

The brand of the liquid injection system is Vialle. As the name does not indicate, it is Dutch. In France, this is represented by the Borel network.

There is info on the forum following :

http://www.planete-citroen.com/forum/sh ... hp?t=11679

(attention, for the consumption indicated, it is a V6; the fragility of the pump would be a problem solved - the gar explained to me what was going on, a small design error corrected since).

We always start with petrol. With liquid injection it switches very quickly (around thirty seconds).

The 15 km interval is for gas injection. With parts (filters).

For liquid injection, the interval is 30 km. There are no parts. It is a control of valves, valves, solenoid valves ...

Control is € 99.

[georges100]

thank you for this information but I hadn't written anything