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by antoinet111 » 08/10/12, 10:35

Hello, you find at what price?
I do not know anything about it. : Mrgreen:
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by Christophe » 08/10/12, 10:51

Just for the record: a few months ago an electromagnetic storm burned one of my laptops ... which was plugged in but in standby (screen down)

The TV and another laptop were running but they got nothing!

The HS laptop was 1m from my cast iron wood stove, I wonder if that didn't work ... (more concentrated field lines?)

In short, all this to say that magnetism, even a small storm (lightning did not fall within a few hundred m from my home), can do a lot of damage!

I think the same storm burned me motorcycle batteries: https://www.econologie.com/forums/batterie-m ... 12038.html
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by dedeleco » 08/10/12, 14:05

Christophe wrote:Just for the record: a few months ago an electromagnetic storm burned one of my laptops ... which was plugged in but in standby (screen down)

The TV and another laptop were running but they got nothing!

The HS laptop was 1m from my cast iron wood stove, I wonder if that didn't work ... (more concentrated field lines?)

In short, all this to say that magnetism, even a small storm (lightning did not fall within a few hundred m from my home), can do a lot of damage!

I think the same storm burned me motorcycle batteries: https://www.econologie.com/forums/batterie-m ... 12038.html


Having received lightning on the roof, hole and fire, I have a nice experience of lightning

Lightning, even falling far enough makes beautiful overvoltages, which according to Maxwell's equations, are accentuated in power by systems with low inductance to capacity ratio, (characteristic impedance Z = L / C of any system which serves as transmission line in lightning, the large capacity charges well and the small inductor discharges at very high current, on metal of large circumference and short).
A stove fulfills this condition perfectly, large diameter (small choke, see formulas dating from Maxwell) and large surface - large capacity)! !
Then, afterwards, we have the impression that lightning was streaking on it !! yet following Maxwell's equations !!! with huge pulses over microseconds.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foudre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_safety

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imp%C3%A9d ... t%C3%A9%29

Even lightning falling far, has precursor tracers, almost everywhere on hundreds of meters, which if bad luck give beautiful overvoltage, especially around the weak Z = L / C therefore the big metallic machines, quite good conductors !!

A motorcycle and batteries have a low L / C, but to burn a battery, you need a very strong current nonetheless.

I have a CMV in the attic (77), with a motor with very fine wires which are often cut by distant lightning, despite the breaker of the circuit breaker !!!
EDF buried the power line (rare), but it's unchanged !!!

When lightning strikes my house (83), with a hole in the roof, burnt air conditioning, fire, fridge also burnt, dead microwave, burnt hob, meters and circuit breakers all black (all low L / C), my computer survived like TV, luckily favored by their connection at the end of high L / C wires thanks to double long 3m extensions and a small inexpensive lightning protection (varistor) !!! on an outlet that has it suffers a million volts because this plug has been disconnected by lightning, by electrostatic repulsion, like other sockets in the house, but as it was on microseconds, on a large LC, the million volts, did not go as far as the laptop power supply, however, like me, less than 2m from the lightning path, making a hole in the roof above and rushing towards the air conditioning at high L / C, which protected me !!!

Lightning is very complex and unpredictable, like the tracers and the place where it falls, complete coincidence, but it likes the low resistance at low L / C which serve as lightning rod by deflecting it.

My camera next to the computer and me, has survived except that it loses the photos with multiple numbers of 16 !!!

So to protect computers and TVs, put on the outlet even cheap surge protectors, and long thin wires with high L / C, interspersed with surge protectors in addition, and to have a little luck and obviously quite far from metallic vehicles with low L / C, very crucial, even if the lightning falls at 500m, but with a tracer which stops above the house (on a few microseconds) !!
Finally, if the corner likes lightning (ground not good conductor, near summit, etc.) I advise to put an adequate lightning rod on the house, at low L / C, which deflects and channels, lightning towards a good damp earth connection , as I did at home, once scalded !!
It does not attract lightning any more, as some people wrongly write.
My air conditioning in the attic served to deviate, protected me by serving as a lightning rod.
And put on surge protectors (varistors).

The risk is from 1 to 4 lightning strikes per km2 / year, or even more, if bad luck, which means that a beautiful house may receive lightning once in a man's life and therefore justifies putting in the beautiful lightning rod, like at home.


The reality, based on simple phenomena, is complex, not displeasing to those who like rudimentary and short answers.
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by dedeleco » 08/10/12, 14:27

antoinet111 wrote:http://www.promotelec.com/fr-professionnel/quand-faut-il-installer-des-parafoudres-hors-installation-photovoltaiques/



In the case of a building equipped with a lightning rod, the use of a lightning arrester is systematically compulsory, whatever the kéraunique level of the place. In the absence of a lightning conductor, and as soon as the electrical supply from the source station is carried out by an entirely underground line, no surge arrester is imposed.
In the presence of a lightning conductor, the surge arrester placed at the origin of the installation must be type 1, with a minimum impact current Iimp of 12,5 kA and voltage Up.
In the absence of a lightning conductor, the arrester placed at the origin of the installation is type 2, with a nominal discharge current In at least equal to 5 kA and a voltage Up 2,5 kV.


We must not believe that without a lightning rod, and a lightning arrester, we will be well protected, for lack of luck, since lightning is complete chance, that an installation of this type has wires with low L / C and cells each fragile at a few volts.

I recommend the maximum of surge arresters everywhere, in all cases and, in addition, wires with high L / C (small circumference if possible and wound in a few turns, before varistors, to decouple the various cells, given the price of the installations .
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by antoinet111 » 08/10/12, 14:33

So, concrete case: I have an installation outside the obligation zone to have a surge arrester, I put a surge arrester at the output of the main circuit breaker, and then a surge arrester on the telephone line and that's it?
I don't need a lightning rod.
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by dedeleco » 08/10/12, 15:44

antoinet111 wrote:So, concrete case: I have an installation outside the obligation zone to have a surge arrester, I put a surge arrester at the output of the main circuit breaker, and then a surge arrester on the telephone line and that's it?
I don't need a lightning rod.


In my opinion, it is more complex, since my VMC under the roof, with a motor with very fine wires, died repeatedly, with this type of installation, classic arrester mounted next to the fuses, at the output of the circuit breaker and even elsewhere, on taking the VMC !!!

We are not never well protected without lightning rod and good faraday cage around, for a direct thunderbolt that will target everything that is low L / C instead of the lightning rod, so the big metallic masses!

For distant lightning residues, we are protected if the devices resist 500 to 1000V for a few microseconds, (1000V is what the arrester lets through instead of a hundred times more), this is not the case for my VMC, but the power supply of my laptop, my TV (switching type with internal varistor),

I had halogen lamps which took a look of old in a few microseconds, to fart a few months later, this even after transformer 220V to 12V, !!

Direct lightning weakens things, which die months or even years later:
my neighbor's EDF line which cut 6 months later, under the street !!
My underground water pipe, which also blew 6 months later, the polyethylene weakened by the overpressure of the water in the pipe, heated by lightning using it as a conductor in a dry and insulating earth !!
Lightning followed the telephone line for hundreds of meters and we waited 2 weeks to see it completely repaired !!
Lightning, at random, which follows a flexible 220V multi-strand wire, completely strips it, separating the wires, by electrostatic repulsion with more than a million volts !!

So even with lightning protection, do not think you are well protected.

Put lightning arresters (varistors) on all sockets with fragile devices, or even doubled at the end of long wires with high L / C, even wound from 5 to 10 turns before the secondary arrester.
Spark arresters are more resistant than varistors, even single neon lights.

And above all, look at the history of lightning among neighbors, the past as the number of times that lightning strikes per year (several times in 83 and 77 for me and one per 30 years in 91).

The roof surface makes it possible to calculate the risk at 1 to 10 strokes per km2 and per year !!

Lightning rods or Faraday's cage (invisible but more effective) connected to the good damp earth plug, are essential beyond a certain surface, in my opinion.

A nearby tree high enough with a copper tube or aluminum bar, up to the top, can serve as a lightning rod.

A photovoltaic installation, good investment, is in my opinion quite fragile, lightning is capable of making everything lose this investment, and is to be considered with great care, with internal Faraday cage, etc. and in my opinion not at all protected in a direct blow, the only possibility is that only one element dies, the others protected by the strong L / C with adequate earthings, in Faraday cage around.

Take a close look at the assemblies of large installations which inevitably receive lightning a few times every decade and which only change the dead element.

Metallic masses (low L / C) like my air conditioning in the attic with long copper tubes to the ground, come back to having a lightning rod without knowing it, as I noticed !!!

So multiply the well-thought-out protections, after large L / C for low metal masses, if possible a Faraday cage, is crucial.
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by moinsdewatt » 08/10/12, 19:53

gegyx wrote:Well ! Happy reading "the twelfth planet"
: Cheesy:
I would point out that the “end of the energy world” was for September 21 (or around).
Electromagnetic storm coming from the sun, due to a sensitive position of the planets and the presence of (?) Nemesis, Nibiru, Hercobulus, Marduk…
... ...


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and we are surprised that there are some who support JL Naudin and R Vialle.
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by Other » 09/10/12, 04:15

Hello

I don't know if it's stormy, but tonight there are northern lights that light up and dance in the sky, green in color.
I tried to make photos and videos but with digital it's rather black as an image, or there is a manipulation that I don't know.
We are in the period of the aurrores, and of the great bustard sailboats which fly high over 2000 feet heading south.

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by Obamot » 09/10/12, 12:33

dedeleco wrote:[...] the sun sometimes makes magnetic storms, capable by their force, of causing all of our electrical installations to burn out, [...]
We would find ourselves on all the earth, [with] all our electrical installations, with enormous electric voltages shrinking everything:
- power stations,
- lines,
- computers,
- satellites, etc,
- more GPS,
- no more phone,
- more TV,
- more informations,
- more electricity,
- more heating,
- more sun,
- all the nuclear power plants in the world exploded, without cooling, impossible electricity, to cool them, no more transformers, an armada of Fukushima Chernobyls, etc.
- more than anything that allows you to live,
- and back to the age of the caves to protect themselves, from radiation

And above all more from Dedeleco to depress us ... What a dream!

... I'm going out (too) : Mrgreen:
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