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by Exnihiloest » 01/12/15, 21:29

Suggestions for France:
- make nuclear last until the fusion is operational
- possibly build 2 or 3 more nuclear power plants, especially if the electric automobile takes off
- abandon wind power: it is an ecological disaster, massacring the landscape, burying tons of concrete in the ground which will remain there forever. And we see it with the Norman project fought by fishermen, a destroyer of fishing areas
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by Obamot » 01/12/15, 22:57

Exnihiloest wrote:Suggestions for France:
- make nuclear last until the merger is operational
- possibly build 2 or 3 more nuclear power plants, especially if the electric automobile takes off
- abandon wind : it's an ecological disaster, massacring the landscape, burying tons of concrete in the ground that will stay there forever. And we see it with the Norman project fought by fishermen, a destroyer of fishing areas

hey, hey here we are finally! A real false twin!
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by Exnihiloest » 02/12/15, 11:45

Exnihiloest wrote:Suggestions for France:
- make nuclear last until the fusion is operational
- possibly build 2 or 3 more nuclear power plants, especially if the electric automobile takes off
- abandon wind power: it is an ecological disaster, massacring the landscape, burying tons of concrete in the ground which will remain there forever. And we see it with the Norman project fought by fishermen, a destroyer of fishing areas


I would add that point 2 is crucial: I think we are all convinced here that electric vehicles would be an improvement over those with thermal engines.
Even if there are alternatives for the generation of electricity on board vehicles, the steady progress of batteries suggests that in the near future, this will be the solution so that electric vehicles can really compete with others, and this will trigger a mass market.
Today, however, it is electrical energy corresponding to 3 to 4 more nuclear power plants that will be necessary for recharging vehicles.
It would be foolish not to be ready, and to be unable to provide enough electricity for car traffic.
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by Obamot » 02/12/15, 12:23

It is well after a post like this one that we understand that you have not studied thoroughly the subjects you are laughing at ...

It is obvious, and it has been said dozens of times in this forum, that the switch to "all electric" (FULL NEED enR) suggests the prerequisite for the massive production of electricity through renewable sources. This is of course a tacit point in the debate!

And you to act as if it were a VPC (Truth First and Undeniable *) >>>
And to propose nuclear power as a miracle solution (just like your counterpart Dupont-Du ...) Image

* (or other terminology depending on the context ...)
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by Ahmed » 02/12/15, 18:06

Regardless of a possible change in energy production, there is currently, all types of thermal power plants combined, a considerable and untapped potential due to the structure of consumption.
The drop in night consumption is very problematic for producers, from a technical and financial point of view: assuming a development of individual storage capacity (cars or others) and a certain latitude for recharging (I know, that do a lot of yes!), it is not sure that the current park is not sufficiently sized ...
A move towards a reduction in electric heating would also make it possible to create significant room for maneuver ...

All this in the context of replacing the fleet of vehicles with a constant profile, but it would be possible and desirable to start on a different basis ...
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by elephant » 02/12/15, 18:14

In Belgium, we are far from being fans of electric heating, which is too expensive.

on the other hand, we like electric boilers and there are surely improvements to be made to our famous highway lighting. Already, the Flemish motorways are no longer lit from midnight.
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by Exnihiloest » 05/12/15, 12:29

Ahmed wrote:... it is not certain that the current fleet is not sufficiently sized ...

To have. I redid the energy calculation from the 50 MTEP consumed by road traffic in France in 2014. This gives us only in the 4300 GWh, which would be within the reach of 3 or 4 nuclear reactors (and not central ). If someone can redo the calculation to verify, because I can hardly believe that a single large nuclear power plant can supply the energy for all road traffic, and then between the TEP, the GWh, the MJ .. there are many sources of conversion error.
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by Christophe » 05/12/15, 13:04

elephant wrote:In Belgium, we are far from being fans of electric heating, which is too expensive.


Yes in theory ... It is sure that with a kWh at 0.25 € it is logically unacceptable ...

Only that is that the theory because in practice if you knew the number of guys with whom I spoke on the Belgian Ardennes side and who heat with electricity by cheating on their meters ... either by direct bridging (yes yes! they dare here!) or by hacking the counter every year ...

My soul as an econologist takes a hit ... necessarily ...

I'm not going to throw them away ... I'm trying to give them a little moral ... certainly in vain ...

On the other hand it greases well on the side of the electricity company in Belgium (and water at € 7 per m3 I don't even talk about it ...) ...

Question: is it the cheat that resulted in such high prices or vice versa?
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by moinsdewatt » 09/12/17, 14:04

How is winter this year in Belgium?
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by Bardal » 09/12/17, 19:03

Exnihiloest wrote:
Ahmed wrote:... it is not certain that the current fleet is not sufficiently sized ...

To have. I redid the energy calculation from the 50 MTEP consumed by road traffic in France in 2014. This gives us only in the 4300 GWh, which would be within the reach of 3 or 4 nuclear reactors (and not central ). If someone can redo the calculation to verify, because I can hardly believe that a single large nuclear power plant can supply the energy for all road traffic, and then between the TEP, the GWh, the MJ .. there are many sources of conversion error.


It is not at all sure that this is not at hand, even if it is not so easy:

- 40 MTep, this represents approximately 450 TeraWh; it is a theoretical figure, since the efficiency of internal combustion engines is less than 30%, probably close to 25%; 450 thermal TeraWh rather correspond to 150 electric TeraWh for the same mechanical energy. 150 Twh, that makes about 1/3 of the current electric production, which is not nothing (it corresponds to the production of about twenty nuclear units, or to the production of around 75 wind turbines for those who prefer). It is all the more enormous that it will be necessary, at the same time, to do without the carbonaceous energies used in heating buildings (it is at least of the same order of magnitude), in industry (there, who saves us is that there is practically no industry in France) as well as ... let's stop there, it scares the hell ... Some can add if they wish the nuclear exit ( personally, I think it's a fairy tale ...)

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- It seems unreasonable to hope that heavy road transport can switch significantly towards electric propulsion, mainly for reasons of radius of action. We are already content with local trips (more than 95% of trips by French), including the 40 km daily VI, urban and suburban public transport, heavy transport short haul, captive fleets etc ...

- also estimate that we have made a colossal effort to produce electric vehicles (with their batteries), 4 in 000, or 000% of the current fleet (which is not huge).

- suppose that these 4 vehicles call 000 kW every day to recharge their batteries, and draw around ten kWh from the network to cover this average distance; in terms of quantity of energy, that would be around 000 GigaWh per day, or over a year, 3 TWh, or a small 40% of current production; and in terms of power 15 GWh, a little more than 7% of the installed power. Even in the dead of winter, this corresponds to the scheduled drop in power plant production during off-peak hours ... So it would be enough not to schedule this drop ...

- all this is clearly within the reach of our current equipment, without any particular investment apart from the vehicles themselves.

Bah, this is only a small, frivolous table calculation, nothing very serious. It simply assumes maintained means of electrical production ... And 4 vehicles is seen a lot from here and now, but it is very little seen from a little further ...
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