Prohibition of electric heating!

[Obamot]

Hi Alain G!

Excellent your illustrative example of a two-stage principle!

Yes indeed, you have to weigh the pros and cons, don't be afraid to be very imaginative. And do his calculations and forecasts!

My heating engineer even advised me not to heat myself with recycled vegetable oil, because the new oil-fired boilers have made as much progress as the advanced diesel engines in terms of efficiency/consumption. As I said above, the current installations cost less, because the temperature in the exhaust chimney hardly exceeds 50°C!*.

Pitfalls to avoid (not exhaustive):
— question boiler, do not hesitate to take the "latest cry" question performance. From this point of view, the difference with electric heating will be all the more considerable. Moreover, it is inevitable that prices will continue to rise, so a low consumption boiler is an investment in the future.
— without going into too much detail: by asking what type of smoke evacuation installation is required, you immediately know whether your boiler is "peak generation" or not. If it is NOT possible to put a simple plastic conduit, go your way, it smells like a scam and the recycling of old technologies... Only new high-efficiency installations support a plastic conduit! This is already a first clue that should attract attention.
- to have a good guarantee from the tank to the burner from inside the boiler. It is in fact the one that drops first (and not the burner), since it is subjected to violent hot/cold thermal shocks, each time it is cut to save money.

Now there is the issue of peak oil. It is illusory to believe that only fuel oil will increase, since the other energies necessarily follow the price of the barrel, after short regulation between supply VS demand!!! As your example of prices between Canada and France clearly demonstrates...!
It can therefore be estimated that at least until the installations made today are completely amortized, it will still and always be profitable to heat with fuel oil in ten years, since the price of electricity will increase at the same time.

First of all, you have to set up a procedure, and in any case do not forget:
1) To make a global insulation/heating installation approach. Otherwise we are quickly beside the realities.
2) To calculate the precise heating needs.
3) Evaluate whether locally there is a source / s of cheaper fuel / energy supply (low-cost or recovered wood, advantageous conditions on gas, good sunshine, etc.). To choose the strategy to adopt. Put this "in competition" for the calculation of costs, with fuel oil and / or electricity.
4) Find out which heaters are appropriate for the situation.
5) Do not hesitate to use government websites, there are sometimes good sources of information, on tax reductions, and advice depending on the region for the heating methods to be adopted.
It is only after having studied - at least - all these points that we will know which type of solution to move towards.

This is why I have some doubts about those who make their case a generality by promising you that THEIR solution is the best, while it is probably only applicable to their specific case ... By forgetting that apart from THEIR case, the solution lies in a good methodology which takes into account all the parameters.

As I said from the start, there is no need to be for or against a particular system, it all depends on specific parameters specific to each particular case. Although in general we find the same trends, namely that it is necessary to be wary at the highest point of the "miracle" of electric heating.

Obviously, this opinion would be diametrically opposed, if we were already in the full swing of solar thermal via completed projects such as Desertec has not yet been completed... Alas, the implementation will last up to 50 years... This is not yet relevant!

* For the apartments: perhaps there are small models provided for this purpose (I did not do any research). But in this case, a plastic chimney should be very easy to hide as an air duct...

[Other]

Hello

$ 1000 for oil and electricity after installing my high efficiency hot air furnace, the difference is quite clear!

Push but pushed scabby, If you take the figures from last winter I don't mind, and again? but it takes two tank fillings per year and the oil has already cost $1 per liter even at $0,70 per liter

Post a photocopy of your annual electricity consumption, the last of the hydro you can spend a year with $ 500 electricity
the slightest shack, cottage, exceeds that, in a house in Quebec, nothing but the accessories, electric stove, hot water tank, dryer, cars plugged in in winter, a little welding in the garage?

Andre

[Alain G]

Obamot Hi!

My furnace does not provide exhaust gases at low temperature but with a little imagination it was very easy for me to overcome this by putting a longer chimney as in my case because the ceiling was 5 meters which allowed me to evacuate colder gases and in addition I put the smallest jet available for the device, the high level of heating temperature was also lowered so that the furnace does not evacuate temperatures exceeding 40 C at the chimney outlet.

I estimate the modification that costs absolutely nothing at 30% gain!

Missing only the blue flame of Cpt Maloche!

As I mentioned above, I am installing a water heater as a heating system for the house and the garage which will have a heat recovery unit on the chimney outlet given the higher temperature at the chimney outlet which will work with a temperature sensor. temperature (a high level probe of the same type as my furnace to avoid condensation in the ducts and allow the pipes to be cooled with low level included on the same probe.

I will recover the maximum BTUs from the combustion of the system with these additions plus it will allow me to avoid condensation in the summer in the garage!

[Alain G]

Hello

$ 1000 for oil and electricity after installing my high efficiency hot air furnace, the difference is quite clear!

Push but pushed scabby, If you take the figures from last winter I don't mind, and again? but it takes two tank fillings per year and the oil has already cost $1 per liter even at $0,70 per liter

Post a photocopy of your annual electricity consumption, the last of the hydro you can spend a year with $ 500 electricity
the slightest shack, cottage, exceeds that, in a house in Quebec, nothing but the accessories, electric stove, hot water tank, dryer, cars plugged in in winter, a little welding in the garage?

Andre

Hi André!

7 years ago!

It is not in my house but a rented workshop where I worked occasionally so no water heater and rarely I used electricity except for heating, moreover in summer the bill for 2 months was under 100 $ and to fill the tank I counted $ 420, I repatriated my equipment in my garage which I enlarged to receive all this equipment.

A small mistake: the liter of heating oil was at $0,58 per liter at that time and is currently available at $0.70.

Appliances that even consume little heat and performance in a house cannot be compared with my situation.

In the answer to Obamot lies the reason for this ridiculous consumption!

[Alain G]

Andre

This year I consumed 2/3 of the previous year so +- $3000 against +-$2000 this winter.

[Capt_Maloche]

Hello everyone,

FYI, with the latest increases for individuals, the price of electricity is very close to the price of gas or fuel oil, less investment!

In the end, the solutions in vogue at the moment are heating by electric underfloor heating, with BBC insulation (or RT2012) and a wood heating supplement such as an insert with air diffusion and possibly a small split system for cooling in summer or a double flow unit with built-in thermodynamic unit (small heat pump)

The final cost is less than a traditional installation, benefits from interesting inertia and consumption is so low that no return on investment makes it possible to make profitable the installation of a boiler with its gas subscription or fuel oil tank. .

The installation of a heat pump remains interesting, because with an annual COP of 3 or 4 depending on the model and a moderate cost by installing a small 5KW model (sufficient because the building is well insulated) the return on investment is lower. to the life of the machine and the equipment also makes it possible to do air conditioning.

Voili Voilou for what awaits us with the new RT2012, in force today for all future real estate transactions.

[oiseautempete]

Hello everyone,

FYI, with the latest increases for individuals, the price of electricity is very close to the price of gas or fuel oil, less investment!

Ah, finally an objective opinion...I was beginning to despair of the bad faith of some...which does not mean that I specifically defend electric heating, which I use because I have no choice. ..

[chatelot16]

In the end, the solutions in vogue at the moment are heating by electric underfloor heating, with BBC insulation (or RT2012) and a wood heating supplement such as an insert with air diffusion and possibly a small split system for cooling in summer or a double flow unit with built-in thermodynamic unit (small heat pump)

especially not electric floor: it's as expensive as a water floor

with a water floor nothing prevents to put an electric boiler there to reduce the investment to a minimum, and then to put any wood boiler or water tank

[Obamot]

with the latest increases for individuals, the price of electricity is very close to the price of gas or fuel oil, less investment!

...I was beginning to despair of the bad faith of some people...which does not mean that I specifically defend electric heating, which I use because I have no choice...

What bad faith, yours? Where is your lack of insight?

The fact is that you often look at noon at your door, since it has been said:
— that it depended on the region where you lived and the rates charged.
— that calculations had to be made.
— that in the calculations there is not only the cost of energy, but that it is necessary to take into account its "real global cost" (i.e. the price of storing nuclear waste over hundreds of thousands of years , which the EDF tariff does not show...).
- that even if the price is attractive, it does not change the equation of the poor efficiency of the electricity for heating (which still remains as bad: 3 to 5 kWh consumed, for only 1 kWh of effective heat, in the best case)
— that we know that each time we install "all electric" the demand for nuclear energy is growing.

If you think the electric is for now "the miracle solution"! You screw your finger in the eye to the scapula, and yet it is these arguments that you would judge as being supposedly "in bad faith!"

Excluding solar thermal — it even seems to me that the best system is heating with wood, which has a carbon footprint = "0", since if it is burned, its carbon release will not be greater than that produced by an aging or rotting tree . Balance = "0" because compensated by the natural recycling that it makes of Co2 by photosynthesis, throughout its growth.

[renaud67]

the wood often has to be cut with a thermal chainsaw and moved (often with a non-electric vehicle) to store it and then to deliver it, so we are probably closer to 0 but there is also embodied energy to take into account.
Everyone sees noon at his door