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by Ahmed » 14/03/12, 21:46

There is, unfortunately, no error of reasoning: in a context like the one we know, all the inclinations of energy consumption limits would be shattered as soon as an unlimited source of energy appears ...

These ideas of "sobriety" are only the labile expression of our fear of seeing the disappearance of a way of life that fascinates us ...
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by Janic » 16/03/12, 09:15

hamed hello
There is, unfortunately, no error of reasoning: in a context like the one we know, all the inclinations of energy consumption limits would be shattered as soon as an unlimited source of energy appears ...
completely agree, this is also why, if superunitary energy really came to light it would boost overconsumption too and even worse since it is supposed to be free, while the individual cost of energy (and of pollution eventually) remains a limiting factor.
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by the middle » 16/03/12, 09:21

Janic wrote:hamed hello
There is, unfortunately, no error of reasoning: in a context like the one we know, all the inclinations of energy consumption limits would be shattered as soon as an unlimited source of energy appears ...
completely agree, this is also why, if superunitary energy really came to light it would boost overconsumption too and even worse since it is supposed to be free, while the individual cost of energy (and of pollution eventually) remains a limiting factor.

ho, ho, we tax junk food well, why not tax energy overconsumption?
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by Janic » 16/03/12, 10:20

why not tax energy overconsumption?
on which criteria?
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by the middle » 16/03/12, 10:46

Janic wrote:
why not tax energy overconsumption?
on which criteria?

For starters, wealthy people who have huge energy overconsumption.
A simple example: people who have a large private pool, heated with oil.
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by stipe » 16/03/12, 11:09

Janic wrote:
why not tax energy overconsumption?
on which criteria?


I had read about this forum I believe a moment ago a method which removed the price of the subscription, made the cost of products (electricity, water, etc.) with a price proportional to the volume consumed. It seems a good way
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by Flytox » 16/03/12, 11:12

lejustemilieu wrote:
Janic wrote:
why not tax energy overconsumption?
on which criteria?

For starters, wealthy people who have huge energy overconsumption.
A simple example: people who have a large private pool, heated with oil.


Hello Lejuste

The problem is to create measures that do not specifically attack the lowest income. You are not wealthy, so you live far from your job because there is only there that you could buy your accommodation .... so you grill force fuel to go to work .... you do don't have a pool to heat but you overconsume too.
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by moinsdewatt » 16/03/12, 12:08

Poland wants its first nuclear power plant by 2020


A call for tenders for the construction of the first nuclear power plant in Poland will be launched soon, said the country's largest electric power group, PGE, an entity involved in the Polish nuclear program.
"The tender will be for the first nuclear power plant to be built in accordance with government strategy," PGE President Krzysztof Kiljan told reporters. Indeed, the Polish government remains in favor of the development of the atom and plans to build 2 power plants with a capacity of 3 MW each.

Despite the fukushima nuclear accident in March 2011, Poland had informed the European Union of its intention to continue its project to build nuclear power plants in order to be less dependent on coal and to considerably reduce its carbon dioxide emissions (CO2) which today represents 94% of the country's overall electrical energy. In addition, the Polish authorities have also considered energy security as one of the keys to the country's development.

At the time, PGE explained the Polish energy ambition in these terms: "The Polish nuclear energy program is fundamental. Our priority remains safety, and that is why we are going to build the plants only by taking into account has the latest technology. In Japan, the damaged plant was over 50 years old. "

In April 2011, a memorandum of understanding was even signed between Areva and Polimex-Mostostal, (a Polish company specializing in engineering and construction works).

To materialize this choice, Poland must now relaunch its tendering process - already initiated last year and which has lagged behind, officially, due to the financial crisis.


Several conglomerates are in the ranks. We note, EDF / Areva (France), Westinghouse Electric Company (USA / Japan) and GE Hitachi Nuclear Energy Americas (USA / Japan)

The first nuclear power station should be located on the old unfinished nuclear site of "Zarnowiec" (see photo above), near the Baltic coast.

Construction starts are scheduled for 2016 before commissioning around 2020 for full operational capacity in 2025, according to PGE's latest strategic plan. By 2030, the latter forecasts that the nuclear share will reach the 36% threshold in its energy mix.


http://www.enerzine.com/2/13653+la-polo ... 2020+.html
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by the middle » 16/03/12, 12:21

moinsdewatt wrote:
Poland wants its first nuclear power plant by 2020


A call for tenders for the construction of the first nuclear power plant in Poland will be launched soon, said the country's largest electric power group, PGE, an entity involved in the Polish nuclear program.
"The tender will be for the first nuclear power plant to be built in accordance with government strategy," PGE President Krzysztof Kiljan told reporters. Indeed, the Polish government remains in favor of the development of the atom and plans to build 2 power plants with a capacity of 3 MW each.

Despite the fukushima nuclear accident in March 2011, Poland had informed the European Union of its intention to continue its project to build nuclear power plants in order to be less dependent on coal and to considerably reduce its carbon dioxide emissions (CO2) which today represents 94% of the country's overall electrical energy. In addition, the Polish authorities have also considered energy security as one of the keys to the country's development.

At the time, PGE explained the Polish energy ambition in these terms: "The Polish nuclear energy program is fundamental. Our priority remains safety, and that is why we are going to build the plants only by taking into account has the latest technology. In Japan, the damaged plant was over 50 years old. "

In April 2011, a memorandum of understanding was even signed between Areva and Polimex-Mostostal, (a Polish company specializing in engineering and construction works).

To materialize this choice, Poland must now relaunch its tendering process - already initiated last year and which has lagged behind, officially, due to the financial crisis.


Several conglomerates are in the ranks. We note, EDF / Areva (France), Westinghouse Electric Company (USA / Japan) and GE Hitachi Nuclear Energy Americas (USA / Japan)

The first nuclear power station should be located on the old unfinished nuclear site of "Zarnowiec" (see photo above), near the Baltic coast.

Construction starts are scheduled for 2016 before commissioning around 2020 for full operational capacity in 2025, according to PGE's latest strategic plan. By 2030, the latter forecasts that the nuclear share will reach the 36% threshold in its energy mix.


http://www.enerzine.com/2/13653+la-polo ... 2020+.html

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by Christophe » 16/03/12, 12:22

Small duplicate right? : Cheesy:

Another is planned (EPR?) Between 3 small countries, biolorussie and létonie I believe ... finally in the corner there! : Cheesy:
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