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by pb2488 » 05/06/11, 15:31

The balance of Franco-German electricity trade has gone from negative to positive since Angela Merkel's decision:

Situation since the German decision:
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I do not see by what miracle this situation would not be economically beneficial for France. : Shock: : Shock: : Shock: : Shock:
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by Obamot » 05/06/11, 15:34

NO REPORT, HS.
WARNING: DO NOT ANSWER pb2488:

This author does not care about your words.

His only goal:
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by pb2488 » 05/06/11, 15:43

Obamot wrote:NO REPORT, HS.
WARNING: DO NOT ANSWER pb2488:

This author does not care about your words.

His only goal:
SUPPORT CONTRADICTION
to make you react
MAKE PROPAGANDA for the nuclear lobby '
REPEAT CONTINUOUSLY the same messages'

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by Obamot » 05/06/11, 15:46

Thank you for not answering him.
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by Obamot » 05/06/11, 20:17

Did67 wrote:For those who want "facts":

- http://www.developpement-durable.gouv.f ... /Ref-4.pdf

For example, read the 20 page (but there is interesting information elsewhere).

I further specify:

- I wrote wrongly that France has become a net importer; it remains a global exporter (but the positive balance clearly decreases)

- France is a net importer to Germany (that's what misled me); the balance in favor of Germany was 12 TWh in 2008, with a peak of power demand of 5,5 GW and a peak of export of 2,2 GW (still in 2008 - since that has deteriorated).

- France is a net importer at each important peak

- France is characterized, among the comparable European countries, by a double sensitivity of its consumption compared to the temperature (well, how do you do that?).
I found the pdf, but do not know how to put it online!

In short, we want to make us feel guilty with Germany? Who are we laughing at ???

We can actually predict that we will be in difficulty, our fault :

- EdF focused on starting the Flamanville EPR in 2012

- we brake on the PV and we drag on the wind ...

- we have programmed the extension of the lifetime of our plants (considered acquired, is it really? at what price?))


Not us in any case! : Mrgreen:
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by Obamot » 05/06/11, 20:22

Did67 wrote:I still have not found the report I'm talking about. But found this:

http://www.notre-planete.info/actualite ... record.php

It dates a bit. I invite you to read under the photo:

"RTE, the managing entity of the electricity network, wanted to be reassuring in its press release by affirming that "only" 1600 MW had to be imported, i.e. less than 2% of total consumption.
It is disturbing to note, however, that despite the tremendous power generation capacity of our country, we are not able to meet our energy needs.

Another thing is worrying: RTE explains this record by the "cold wave" that the country is experiencing. It was certainly not very hot December 17, but temperatures were generally close to 0 ° C. As a cold snap, we've seen worse ... "


Frankly, before sneering at Germans, I would sweep in front of my door!

On the other hand, what is likely is that the export capacity of our neighbors to France will be reduced and that suddenly, ERDF will not find what is missing. We can then, in total dishonesty, say it is "the Germans' fault" [implied: "they no longer sell us as before ..."]. Which is a funny reversal of thought!

The constant increase of the peak is however known [notably as a consequence of the promotion of the electric heating - convectors or PAC - in a way clubbed since 20 years], insoluble with the nuclear one [one can not boost the power plants beyond a 10 % in case of peak].

That this winter the network jumps and for me, it will not be the fault to the Germans! Of course, it will be the excuse found nucleocrats ... The proof is already announced in an article as grounded as a speech by Paris Hilton ...


Yes absolutely, and besides, whatever the balance of trade, as long as there is dumping in the real cost of the kWh - which will be multiplied by 4 in the coming years, according to the best German and Swiss experts => because we will have to pay for the dismantling of the old ones whose concrete is rotten, before building new ones - since IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE that containment enclosures do not resist, as in Fukushima and Chernobyl, we reach the unavoidable conclusion that the nuclear is not manageable, and even worse: that every time it is necessary to intervene AFTER a major accident! Imagine the basin of the Seine (it takes water for a reactor ... and still water to cool after a major accident, which is necessarily rejected highly radioactive with immense excitement, for years) imagine millions m3 of highly contaminated water that swept through Paris. It would be simply unacceptable .... It is an immense risk that the French take, but charge to them to assume that at home, if they want to take the risk ...

So, the truth comes out and we finally notice that the inexistent 'nuclear safetywas just a scandalous mistake ...:

ATS / Teletext, 3.6.2011 16: 46 wrote:Muehleberg: secret expertise unveiled
Opponents of the Muehleberg nuclear power plant (BE) come back. They released a confidential report after the dismissal of a request for the suspension of the shutdown procedure of the plant by the Federal Administrative Court (TAF).

TUEV NORD's 2006 expertise calls into question the stability of tie rods that secure the cracks in the Muehleberg reactor mantle.

Opponents of the station had obtained the right to consult this confidential document, but without making it public. Details had nevertheless filtered indirectly through the media.


Other source:
http://www.journaldujura.ch/Nouvelles_e ... gion/99304

QED.

... this will weigh heavily in the national debate, and we are already talking about it in Germany!

Concrete in power plants is therefore unable to withstand early deterioration of its structure due to the extremely destructive radioactive environment. We saw it twice in Fukushima AND once before, in Chernobyl. In both cases, "confinement" is just a word wrongly used => nothing is actually confined.

Conclusion after this neutral and secret independent expert report: there CANNOT be a "safe nuclear" - There is no such thing since the constraints on the materials are far too strong .. Where then should the plants be dismantled every ten years? And as they are not already profitable today !!!
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by dedeleco » 05/06/11, 23:17

When the nuclear plant next to Pb2488 will have exploded in a Cherno-Fukushima-type accident, inevitable sooner or later, since men can not be infallible in perpetuity, and that he will have evacuated his BBC house overnight to avoid the irradiation, without being able to return to it for centuries, Pb2488, ardent proponent of the nuclear, will be able to bang on the skull For centuries !!!
Like many French people who voted for the political parties that decided to develop and continue nuclear power !!

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by Obamot » 06/06/11, 15:04

Contrary to what is said the petchards who are already trembling from the exit of the nuclear - and as it was to be expected - it mobilizes severe around the renewable. Already a hundred high-tech enterprise mobilized.

If it goes to the National (Parliament), we go to an unprecedented turnaround:

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by Obamot » 08/06/11, 08:34

4 fateful hours of a rational debate to leave definitely (or not) nuclear.

But even before debates begin, the majority seems to have reached the renewable.

To avoid any drift and interference, Parliament has wisely decided to separate the debate from "Nuclear output" with that of the "Energy policy".

It is indeed a clearly pragmatic vision, which avoids dealing with nuclear "separately", and also makes it possible to address this issue without placing it at the center of concerns: with a broad, non-partisan spirit, taking into account ALL alternatives to the global as well as local.

I do not see how one could be more realistic and open with such an introduction!

TSR, 07.06.2011 16: 57 - update: 08.06.2011 08: 05 wrote:National debate on the nuclear exit

Less than two weeks after the Federal Council decision in principle to phase out atomic energy, the National Council launched [this] Wednesday a big debate on the exit of the nuclear and the energy policy. More than 150 parliamentary interventions are planned.

The National Council will address the issue of nuclear exit and energy policy in two stages. Faced with the flow of motions, postulates and other arrests concerning both nuclear power and energy in general, his Bureau decided to separate the two questions.

In all, National Councilors will have more than four hours to discuss their vision of the atom and the country's energy future. After each round, Doris Leuthard, the head of DETEC, will speak on behalf of the Federal Council. Then the parliamentarians will vote.

High-Valais PDC's motion Roberto Schmidt will be the focus of attention. It calls for staged nuclear abandonment and is closest to the vision of the Federal Council. This text should receive the support of a majority of parliamentarians: Left, Greens, a large part of the PDC, Liberal Greens, PBD and perhaps some liberal-radicals and UDCs.
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