Oil and tar sands in Canada. Correspondent

[Remundo]

For the coal to liquid, it is today in South Africa and China (tens of billions of euros invested).

For gas, it is not very difficult to alcoholize it with water: nice methanol / ethanol for petrol engines.

They're going to do it, don't worry. They have the engineers, the equipment and the funds

[carburologue]

For the coal to liquid, it is today in South Africa and China (tens of billions of euros invested).

For gas, it is not very difficult to alcoholize it with water: nice methanol / ethanol for petrol engines.

They're going to do it, don't worry. They have the engineers, the equipment and the funds

shell is opening the ball

http://www.euro-petrole.com/ne_03_actua ... dNews=3185

[Remundo]

Let's go for the CO2 party

[Capt_Maloche]

it makes me think of one thing

In the calculation of energy efficiency from primary energies,
we have 2.58 for nuclear electricity
1 for gas
and 1 for fuel oil ???

we should be 1.50 / 2 for fuel oil depending on the energy spent on extraction, refining and transport

who has the numbers?

Same for gas, but more moderate all the same

[Christophe]

Yes I have already made the remark to myself it is an "abuse".

For figures, just ask:

Gray energy of pellets

Summary document on the energy distribution of pellet processing and comparison with other fuels (logs, wood chips, natural gas, fuel oil and propane-butane).

Gray energy from heating fuels

On the other hand, fuel oil is an average: a bituminous Canadian will not consume the same thing as a light from Arabia ...

In the doc of special envoy they speak of a well with steam injection which consumes 1 barrel of energy to get out 2!

[carburologue]

the crisis is also hitting the Alberta region where 15000 people have lost their jobs; ....

google search news will see you well ... it becomes serious this situation ...

http://argent.canoe.com/lca/infos/canad ... 35352.html

[Remundo]

I am not going to complain about these layoffs in Alberta ...

[Other]

Hello

Almost all of the oil mined in Alberta is shipped to the USA. But it is mainly this extraction of petrol that places us as a great polite, apart from making people work and dirty all around there is no advantage to continue in this technology, there is a threshold where the financiers found a profitability but at the price of a barrel of oil I don't know why it continues to operate?
And to say that some do not admit that the energy produced by hydroelectricity is not renewable energy?
I would like someone to explain to me what is renewable energy?

Andre

[Christophe]

Shale gas and oil had somewhat overshadowed bituminous oils, here is an article which recalls certain facts:

Oil sands: energy boon or ecological disaster?

Canada could become the new Saudi Arabia thanks to the exploitation of this "dirty oil" in the province of Alberta. The deposits are important, as is the anger of environmentalists who speak of "the greatest environmental crime in history.

The extraction of crude oil from Canada's oil sands is not new, but rising crude prices are increasing interest and profitability. This is fortunate for Canada since we consider that these tar sands, located in the province of Alberta, contain the second world oil reserve, with more than 170 billion barrels.

On the other hand, it is a disaster in the eyes of certain scientists and environmentalists: surface mining, enormous consumption of water (we are talking about three barrels of water for a barrel of oil), chemical contamination. European companies like BP or Total are participating in this adventure, and are trying to improve their extraction techniques and their brand image in the face of the dispute.

As we can see, it is not only shale gas which is controversial in a world where energy resources are becoming more and more scarce and more and more expensive. The exploitation continues of course in Canada, on a surface which would be equivalent to the quarter of our Hexagon, in spite of the criticisms which last for years,.

In 2007, the British daily The Independent published an article citing in its title the opinion of certain environmentalists "The greatest environmental crime in history" stressing that BP is involved in this exploitation: "The development of sand exploitation bituminous is expected to cause the emission of 100 million tonnes of CO2, or one fifth of the annual emissions of Great Britain ". According to The Independent, Alberta will produce 5 million barrels of crude oil per day by 2030.

"By dint of tax giveaways, lack of regulation and environmental laxity, the conservatives in power in Alberta, with the help of Ottawa, have transformed the north of the province into a dirty oil supermarket for the benefit of multinationals and from the American neighbor. The boreal forest is being sacrificed, as are the region's first nations. " wrote the monthly Le Monde Diplomatique in April 2010.

When we talk to them about pollution, the authorities answer: "the presence of hydrocarbons and mercury in the river is of natural origin, the tar sands flush with the banks in places. This is what a team of researchers wanted to verify. renowned researchers On December 6, 2009, they traveled to Fort Chipewyan to reveal their findings: through its releases of polycyclic aromatic compounds (PACs) into the atmosphere, the industry causes the equivalent of one oil spill each year ! " adds Le Monde Diplomatique.

"More than 30 associations from Canada, the United States and France have expressed their objections to the“ Joslyn North ”mine, a new oil sands mining project located in northern Alberta and proposed by the oil giant Total before the joint Canada-Alberta review panel, ”the Friends of the Earth organization reported in August 2010.

In 2011, the figures are a little different but the tone remains the same. The Vancouver Observer recalls that oil from the tar sands is the most polluting of all oils, despite promises from the industry: "The heavy oil extracted from tar sands, often contested, has a bright future ahead of it in Canada where its production is expected to double in 2020 and triple in 2030, Total Canada CEO Jean-Michel Gires said Monday in Montreal. " underlines Agence France Presse on June 6, before adding: "The country today draws 1,5 million barrels of oil per day from its tar sands. It should produce 3 million in 2020 and 4,5 million barrels of oil per day. million in 2030, Gires said. "

The industry seems to be aware of the criticisms with the OSLI (Oil Sands Leadership Initiative) project, for better exploiting and recycling water, and in addition to exploiting surface mines, in situ (with the underground recovery of bitumen, thanks to the 'steam injection). OSLI also does tree planting as explained by Total Canada.

Releases into the atmosphere continue without limits. As Radio Canada reported on June 9 after an international conference: "Federal Minister of Finance Jim Flaherty made it clear at the Montreal Conference that he was out of the question to adopt a carbon tax. "

However, even if he does not criticize Canada openly, Angel Gurria, Secretary General of the OECD who participated in this conference explains "if you do not have a price for programs, that means that the opportunity cost sucks and it's not going to provoke an investment, it's not going to cause interest in research, to find alternatives ”.

In Europe, environmentalists are trying to oppose the importation of oil from the Canadian oil sands, and are trying to raise public awareness as we saw in Strasbourg on June 16.

But the export will only grow, even China is interested in Canadian oil as told on the Investors site, June 28, with a participation in a pipeline project, from Alberta to the Canadian coast. Pacific where oil tankers would transport it to China.

Gilles Klein

http://www.atlantico.fr/pepites/canada- ... 34717.html

[Alain G]

Money buys everything unfortunately and this province is a windfall for the federal government which derives from it a high dividend, with no deficit and a large surplus in addition to providing extremely well-paid jobs, there are not many disputes that's the big $$$$ problem!