ITER = DANGER, petition letter

[Remundo]

For those who want to get to know ... Mr. Bigot is the senior official of the CEA and the ITER project in France.

Bernard Bigot and nuclear waste

"Trust us"

The Japanese also said that when they built Fukushima ...

[sen-no-sen]

ITER wonderfully represents the flaws in the current governance system.
As explained by Ms Rivasi in the interview with JPP, most MEPs know nothing about science.
It is therefore very easy for some scientists to sell a concept as smoky as ITER: the sun in a box, unlimited energy... the imagination does the rest.

It is high time to consider the concept of scientific power in government, in the context of a democracy Tri-Polar (Scientist, Citizens, Politics).

[phil53]

sen-no-sen; I am not a scientist but I am able to understand that 2 major accidents in 20 years prove that it is almost a certainty that another will arrive more or less quickly and more probably where there are the most reactors.
Strictly speaking, I would understand that instead of ITR these billions are wasted studying Thorium nuclear energy

Our policies do not have the courage or the majority of French people to question our way of functioning as consumers.

It is more than urgent to reduce our electricity consumption for example but also to stop being intoxicated by the single thought that delivers TV, TV newspapers and disguised advertising in mind

[sen-no-sen]

sen-no-sen; I am not a scientist but I am able to understand that 2 major accidents in 20 years prove that it is almost a certainty that another will arrive more or less quickly and more probably where there are the most reactors.

Precisely ITER was sold on this lie:
- Almost unlimited energy.
- Little radioactive waste.
-Risk of accident limited.
For many politicians, even those who are not particularly pro-nuke, ITER represents an almost miraculous solution for the future.

[Cuicui]

sen-no-sen; I am not a scientist but I am able to understand that 2 major accidents in 20 years prove that it is almost a certainty that another will arrive more or less quickly and more probably where there are the most reactors.
Strictly speaking, I would understand that instead of ITR these billions are wasted studying Thorium nuclear energy

Nuclear power to thorium has been discontinued due to excessive radioactivity. See :
http://nucleaire.cea.fr/fr/nucleaire_fu ... _voies.htm
Nuclear energy by hydrogen-boron fusion does not have these drawbacks. But although theoretical studies confirm its feasibility, there are no credits devoted to this sector, everything being monopolized by ITER.

[dedeleco]

Fun to compare the optimistic tone of CEA for ITER, minimizing the problems with no doubt about the final success of the project, just look again:

But the industrial application of nuclear fusion * still faces major technological challenges which will require intensive R&D before reaching the stage of construction of electricity production facilities.

http://nucleaire.cea.fr/fr/nucleaire_futur/fusion.htm
yet full of difficulties to study almost in perpetuity
and the pessimistic one on the other paths to certain failure:
http://nucleaire.cea.fr/fr/nucleaire_fu ... _voies.htm
deemed impossible and to drop, despite less random searches than ITER !! (10 years old and not 50 years old)

So we can clearly see in the CEA texts, totally subjective bets on the future without any scientific justification !! with searches without shadok type results !!!

And yet the feasible future, certain to heat itself for free in perpetuity without CO2, or nuclear and which works is that functional to www.dlsc.ca
thanks to the sun in summer kept for winter, which has been melting for us for over 4 billion years without polluting us !!

It only remains for me to do it at home with unpretentious solar collectors and also unpretentious underground drilling !!

And it will not help me, since for my houses, I spend on local taxes much more than 3 times the heating costs !!

We are much more in the peak of taxes and debts of the states of disaster capitalism, than in the peak of oil !!!

And at the moment on the A5, Raffarin, traumatized by the Chinese, explains to us that we have to grow like the Chinese !!!!

[Remundo]

And it will not help me, since for my houses, I spend on local taxes much more than 3 times the heating costs !!

But if Dede, it helps you save to pay your taxes.

Good Lord will give it back to you.

@+

[dedeleco]

interesting this link on the future EPR:
http://nucleaire.cea.fr/fr/nucleaire_fu ... ration.htm

with the impossible dream totally about the objectives of future nuclear reactors:

Safe and reliable: with a search for progress compared to current reactors, and by eliminating as far as possible the need for evacuation of people outside the site, whatever the cause and severity of the accident inside the power plant

identical to believe in perpetual human infallibility, with something that can fart !!!!

Pure madness !!!!

[moinsdewatt]

And yet the feasible future, certain to heat itself for free in perpetuity without CO2, or nuclear and which works is that functional to www.dlsc.ca
thanks to the sun in summer kept for winter, which has been melting for us for over 4 billion years without polluting us !!

It only remains for me to do it at home with unpretentious solar collectors and also unpretentious underground drilling !!

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Seeing this thing all over the post made in Dedeleco becomes painful.
So, did you study this seriously? How much will it cost you?
What do your neighbors say? And your wife does she agree?

But if your heating consumption is worth only 1/3 of your local tax, it is therefore that your heating bill is not really a problem then. How will you make your business profitable, in how many ten years, if it works?

And by the way, my local tax is 1100 Euro. My total annual electricity bill (which also heats me up) is 300 Euro per year. So I'm not going to get into underground heat storage.

[Obamot]

Revisit this thing all the time post made in Dedeleco it becomes annoying

[...] Good then, you studied that seriously? .

It wouldn't be you, who would be a little painful chti in this forum! Who has often aggressive reflections, who asks to banish someone for a simple offense of opinion? No, but ... don't you think you push the plug a little far sometimes?

And if we calm down a little ...