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by moinsdewatt » 14/12/12, 19:11

Gazou, gazou ....
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Cologne: a 450 MW gas-fired cogeneration plant by 2016

14 Dec 2012 enerzine

Alstom announced Thursday the signing with the German operator RheinEnergie of a contract ** for the construction in Cologne, Germany, of a gas-fired combined cycle electricity-heat plant of 450 MW whose commissioning is scheduled for 2016.

This new power plant, called 'Niehl 3', is part of the energy transition program in Germany, which provides for the construction of high efficiency combined heat-electricity cycle units. The Niehl 3 plant will be based on Alstom's gas KA26 technology.

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The plant will achieve an overall efficiency of around 85%, making 'Niehl 3' one of the most efficient plants in the world. It will supply electricity to local and European networks which can power up to 1 million homes.

With a heat output of 265 MW capable of heating 50.000 homes, it will strengthen the district heating networks in Cologne. In addition, it will emit around 500.000 tonnes less CO2 per year than comparable heat production facilities in Germany.

"The Niehl 3 power station will be an important asset in the energy transition in Germany. Power stations equipped with advanced technology, using natural gas, a more ecological fuel, will reduce CO2 emissions and will form the basis of the electricity supply in Germany over the next decades. With the Niehl 3 power station, our portfolio of thermal power generation will be modernized, "said Dr Dieter Steinkamp, ​​CEO of RheinEnergie.

RheinEnergie will invest a total of around 350 million euros in this project.

Alstom's equipment represents nearly 10 GW of electricity generation capacity in Germany. Almost half of this capacity is based on combined cycle power plants, including the Emsland power plant (876 MW), recently delivered to RWE, as well as the Berlin Mitte power plant (385 MW) delivered to Vatttenfall, which at the time of its commissioning in 1997 was already one of the most modern and efficient in the world.

Gas-fired power plants allow network stability with quick start-up times and high efficiency even at low load. According to Alstom, the KA26 combined cycle power plants have an energy efficiency of over 60% and can be started up in less than 30 minutes. Fully synchronized with the grid, they can reliably produce 350 MW at low load in less than 15 minutes. Nearly 70 gas power plants based on KA24 / KA26 technology are in operation or under construction worldwide.


** This agreement will be executed in two phases. The first started with the help given to RheinEnergie to obtain permits. The second phase will begin after the entry into force of the contract, which should take place in the second half of the 2013/14 financial year. The project includes the supply of a GT26 gas turbine, a steam turbine, the turbo-alternator, heat recovery equipment and plant control systems.


http://www.enerzine.com/12/14971+cologn ... 2016+.html

And yes for the gullible who believe that Germany is ENR instead of nuke, they also increase their (imported) gas and coal.
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by Janic » 08/06/16, 13:27

an analysis reproduced by going out of nuclear power on coal and germany.
Germany _ no, the nuclear phase-out does not encourage the use of coal.html
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by moinsdewatt » 25/02/17, 13:52

On Wikipedia.

The end of nuclear power:

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https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lec ... _Allemagne

in the legend shut down it's stopped

The Germans would therefore have to shut down 3 power plants with one reactor, and 4 power plants with 2 reactors.

Final finish in 2022.
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by moinsdewatt » 04/01/18, 18:07

Coal threatens to engulf forest, Hambach, Germany

January 2, 2018 / Violette Bonnebas (Reporterre)

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Coveted by the energy giant RWE, the Hambach forest, whose underground is full of lignite, is at the heart of the resistance movement against the exploitation of coal in Germany.

• Berlin (Germany), correspondence

It is a pretty corner of the forest in the heart of the Rhine mining area, one of the last green lungs in the region, wedged between the conurbations of Cologne and Aachen. The Hambach forest is famous for its oaks and its charms, its bats, frogs and rare birds. But another of its treasures attracts lust: its underground rich in lignite, the cheapest of fossil fuels. The most polluting too.

In less than 40 years, the excavators have engulfed 90% of the forest, its fauna, its flora and several neighboring villages to dig the largest open pit mine in Germany. Forty million tonnes of "brown coal" are extracted each year by giant excavators from the energy company RWE. And to ensure the supply of its power plants until 2040, it plans the complete felling of wood.
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https://reporterre.net/Le-charbon-menac ... -Allemagne

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by Janic » 08/01/18, 14:40

You shouldn't shut down Nukes plants.
One-eyed against a blind man?
Fossil fuels are big visible and measurable polluters and this strikes the minds more strongly than nuclear waste which does not see, does not feel, but which will keep its dangerousness, badly under control, for centuries. Political measures had to be taken while there was still time, not now that the cloth was burning.
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by Bardal » 08/01/18, 18:27

Janic wrote:
You shouldn't shut down Nukes plants.
One-eyed against a blind man?
Fossil fuels are big visible and measurable polluters and this strikes the minds more strongly than nuclear waste which does not see, does not feel, but which will keep its dangerousness, badly under control, for centuries. Political measures had to be taken while there was still time, not now that the cloth was burning.


Bof, it's a way of seeing things ...

But a few years after these famous political decisions, emissions of CO2, particles, pollutants have rather increased, causing 24000 deaths per year in Europe (or 240 deaths in 000 years); well, it's not very serious, but generally we rather expect political decisions to have a slightly more positive effect ...

We also continue to cheerfully destroy forests, villages, hills and meadows to exploit the lignite; and without making a glass of pure water shudder at ecological associations ... It's beautiful, the commitment to nature and the planet ...

Ah, we also obtained the closure of Superphenix, which was precisely designed to incinerate most of the nuclear waste ... Waste that we will keep from now on for several millennia ...

Certainly, life is full of nice surprises, and generates incredible contradictions.

Vanitas vanitatum, and omnia vanitas ...
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by izentrop » 08/01/18, 23:09

Ideology when you hold us.
The Germans missed an opportunity to make nuclear power cleaner, which could also reprocess the most worrying part of the waste https://fissionliquide.fr/2013/07/01/al ... -greentec/
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by Janic » 09/01/18, 11:11

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Bof, it's a way of seeing things ...

But a few years after these famous political decisions, emissions of CO2, particles, pollutants have rather increased, causing 24000 deaths per year in Europe (or 240 deaths in 000 years); well, it's not very serious, but generally we rather expect political decisions to have a slightly more positive effect ...
There is no virtuous circle, either for fossil fuels or the nuke. It was as early as the mid-1950s that whistleblowers predicted what we are currently seeing and of which successive governments have not realized the importance of the subject. The economy is always a priority over the rest, but now we will have to open the wallet very wide to put out the fire that feeds on our inability to cope.

We also continue to cheerfully destroy forests, villages, hills and meadows to exploit the lignite; and without making a glass of pure water shudder at environmental associations... It's beautiful, the commitment to nature and the planet.

Do not stick to the backs of environmentalists, which is of political origin. Proof of this is that no environmental party, which may have given other priorities to the economy, has been elected and the "ecologists" in government have little means and impact on this industrial economy. .
But it is very fair and highly unfortunate in addition to being harmful. But screaming in the fire does not put out the fires. It is when this fire is being declared that it must be extinguished, not wait until it spreads to the attic where the damage will be irreversible. We are already in the attic!
Ah, we also obtained the closure of Superphenix, which was precisely designed to incinerate most of the nuclear waste ... Waste that we will keep from now on for several millennia ...

He was supposed to be able to reduce DES waste, we can say that it is always that, but it only serves as proof to continue producing it.

Cooling the core with molten sodium was therefore the main safety concern (hot sodium ignites on contact with water and air). The double sodium cycle used to cool the core and to generate steam greatly complicated the in-service inspection of the reactor and the interventions after incident. Any sodium leak would shut down the reactor. In addition, handling sodium required long and costly procedures.
Remember, however, that the boiling temperature of sodium is 900 ° C and that the core temperature of Superphenix was 540 ° C. Protected by its great thermal inertia (5 tonnes of sodium in its pipes), the piloting of Superphénix benefited from comfortable reaction times.

https://www.connaissancedesenergies.org ... uperphenix

In fact, the significant risk remained the sodium used, therefore safety was almost guaranteed in “normal” use, but not in a risk situation as at present where situations like Chernobyl or Fukushima arise.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superph%C3%A9nix
Certainly, life is full of nice surprises, and generates incredible contradictions.

It is not life that goes without fossil fuels like nuke, it is the human industry which is in question and the world population being always increasing and its energy needs increasing even more, we are not out of the inn! : Shock: .
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by moinsdewatt » 03/02/18, 14:17

IN GERMANY, A SACRIFIED CHURCH ON THE AUTEL DU COAL

Jan 12, 2018 the Energeek

The gradual abandonment of nuclear energy in Germany is far from being without consequence, and if the increasing use of coal in electricity production has already led to a sharp increase in CO2 emissions, it also has a direct impact on local communities whole, sometimes forced to pack up. Latest example in the small village of Immerath, wedged between the Ruhr and the Netherlands and whose church has just been completely razed to make way for the expansion of a gigantic coal mine, despite the protests residents and environmental activists.

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The church of Immerath, symbol of an all-powerful coal

In accordance with its will to reopen and enlarge the existing coal and lignite mines on its territory, the government of Angela Merkel does not hesitate to sacrifice the villages and the populations concerned. Monday January 8, 2018, a centenary church in the west of the country was destroyed following the relocation of the village of Immerath. A symbolic building in this rural region, this place of worship will not have withstood the frenzy of German coal which seems to take everything in its path.

Before the church, several thousand inhabitants of the North Rhine-Westphalia region had to move to make way for a huge surface mine operated by the energy company RWE. Owner of the largest fleet of coal-fired power plants in Europe, the German group plans in particular to extract more and more fuel from the neighboring mining site of Garzweiler and therefore required an extension of the operating area. Note here that lignite, very cheap, is only found on the surface and generally imposes huge areas of exploitation.

Displaced in a neighboring commune, the 900 villagers of Immerath have since found their school, the kindergarten and their cemetery in their new village, Immerath-Neu. On the other hand, their church, which had been "deconsecrated" after a final office in late 2013, was promised destruction, despite a legal battle going back to the Constitutional Court. "Whoever destroys culture also destroys human beings," Greenpeace activists claimed in vain on a banner Monday morning before the machines began their demolition work.

Population displacements which are common

In general, population displacements linked to coal mines have multiplied in recent years, in Lusatia in particular, an eastern region close to Poland, where entire villages have been wiped off the map. "In 2007 already, a 750 year old church had been moved 12 km between Heuersdorf and Borna (east), on two rolling platforms and for 3 million euros, to avoid destroying it," said AFP.

In 2014, the small "green" village of Proschim as well as many surrounding farms were destroyed to allow the opening of new mines. Proschim was nevertheless considered as a benchmark in renewable energies. Surrounded by wind turbines, solar power plants and biogas plants that supplied nearly 15.000 homes, the local community seemed to have devoted itself to the green cause. Insufficient for the government which has been trying since 2011 to fill the vacuum left by nuclear energy and has chosen to return to coal to support the deployment of green energies.

In Germany, the exit from nuclear power is not without consideration

The energy plan set up in disaster by Angela Merkel (following the Fukushima accident in 2011) has indeed placed our neighbors across the Rhine in a complex energy situation. If the goal of the German Chancellor was above all to get Germany out of its dependence on nuclear energy by 2022 by shutting down the 17 German reactors (only 8 are still in operation today), this progressive disengagement was not without consequences.

Turning fully to renewable energies, the country has indeed succeeded in deploying the solar and wind energy sectors to reach in 2016 more than a third of the country's electricity production (32% of consumption was covered by energies green). "However, the current growth rate will not allow us to reach the objectives that had been set for 2020," stress the experts of the Berlin think tank Agora, and these eloquent figures hide a very different reality regarding the cost of electricity. and CO2 emissions. Germany has become, at the same time, one of the countries, with Denmark, where electricity is the most expensive (almost twice as much as the current tariff in France), but also one of the most polluting European countries due to the increased use of coal in recent years.

The authorities have been forced to resort to fossil fuels such as lignite or coal in order to guarantee the stability of its electricity network and the production of coal-based electricity has therefore considerably increased (and with it the CO2 emissions). Coal now accounts for almost 40% of national electricity production and the government is still seeking to re-use old ways of this fuel on the territory.

http://lenergeek.com/2018/01/12/allemag ... e-charbon/

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by Remundo » 03/02/18, 14:59

humanity is strange ...

when one thinks of the difficulty that the men had given themselves to build such a pretty church, which had the air of a cathedral even ...

now everything is being swept away to extract coal, an obvious sign, if confirmation is needed, that society is addicted to energy.
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