Shale gas in Quebec and documentary Gasland

[Ahmed]

Another approach for exploiting GDS (and GMOs as a bonus) is legal recourse in the context of free trade, in particular PTCI, a new trade agreement between the European Commission and the USA (according F. Nicolino) http://fabrice-nicolino.com/index.php art. July 10.

[Janic]

Hello
Montebourg's problem (as with most of his colleagues) is that he does not know anything about the subjects he is talking about because he is not trained at least to realize this kind of imbalance. Fortunately, he doesn't know anything about it, otherwise he probably couldn't swallow such a big snake.
As a reminder, apart from all the disadvantages of fracturing, there are still 596 chemicals added to the water and it is difficult to replace these multiple toxic products with "Marseille soap"!

[Ahmed]

However, he knows the basics: destroying nature is the only way to "create value", therefore to safeguard his dominance and that of the oligarchy he represents.

[Janic]

hamed hello
By nature and by philosophy, I prefer to question systems rather than individuals and consider, a priori, innocent individuals until proven otherwise. So I think he shows blatant ignorance on the subject, rather than being to defend an oligarchy (one does not necessarily prevent the other!)

[BobFuck]

I prefer to question systems rather than individuals and consider, a priori, innocent individuals until proven otherwise

Regarding Montebourg, I think he has already said enough and done enough so that there is no longer any doubt, don't you think?

[Ahmed]

Whether individuals are "innocent" or not does not have much meaning as long as they agree to go in the direction of a system which gratifies them ... and since no system is independent of those who support it. ..

I'll let you draw the conclusions yourself.

[Janic]

hamed hello

Whether individuals are "innocent" or not does not have much meaning as long as they agree to go in the direction of a system which gratifies them ... and since no system is independent of those who support it. ..

I'll let you draw the conclusions yourself.

Clearly, we are all murderers! Because all of us, to different degrees, embrace the system.
Among my biblical references from the NT; an adulterous woman is presented to Christ Jesus to trap him on her relation to the law which recommends that adulterous women be stoned, then Jesus turns to the accusers and says to them: "let the one of you who has never sinned throw the first stone at him"and all, says the text, FROM AGE TO YOUNGER, withdrew. Then Jesus said to the adulterous woman: " I do not condemn you either, but go AND FISH NO LONGER"How many of us no longer sin?

[Ahmed]

Your conclusions lack nuances, oh Janic!
We are all obliged to contribute to the smooth running and sustainability of the system, but nothing forces us to promote it, or even to take a few steps aside!
I don't really see the connection with your quote from the NT?
As for "sin", I would say that, commercially speaking, the laundry merchant has an interest in promoting the concept of dirt beforehand ...

[Janic]

oh hamed hello

Your conclusions lack nuances, O Janic!

Indeed, I rarely give in lace, but it also corresponds to a (failing that) reality that I have observed for a long time.

We are all forced to contribute to the smooth running and sustainability of the system, but nothing forces us to promote it, or even to take a few steps aside!

This is the whole contradiction of human nature which is victim and guilty at the same time. In reality we are NOT OBLIGED, but we believe ourselves obliged except to leave the system which does not suit us. Out of us (humans in general) want to have our cake and eat it too, take advantage of the advantages and assume that it will not have any disadvantages or when they want to put a plaster on a wooden leg and therefore to be in permanent self-justification.

I don't really see the connection with your quote from the NT?

Because we often have the reflex to assimilate the individual and the system as one and the same thing and therefore condemn both. However, for the example of Montebourg, (which would be valid for anyone else and any political tendency) he must spare goat and cabbage (this is his job) and therefore be in permanent compromise and generally on the advice of "specialists" who are supposed to know the files (and in this case the technique) better than him (after that it is also a question of choosing these experts of course).
So, since that called into question the individual and not the system, the NT wants to remind us that we, in many circumstances, we are in permanent compromises, we listen attentively to some and not to others and we therefore behave in the Montebourg way. Gold do we condemn ourselves for our choices? Generally not because we minimize them: " It's not like running a country! »Some will say! Error, since it is not a question of dimension, but of state of mind, mentality. So do not judge the individuals, but the systems in order to choose to follow them or to oppose them with our means (the step aside) or, to use another reflection from the NT: " do not judge and you will not be judged "Or" you will be measured with the measure you used ».

As for "sin", I would say that, commercially speaking, the laundry merchant has an interest in promoting the concept of dirt beforehand ...

The system wants that! But we still have to agree on the meaning of the word sin. "Christianity" (but which one?) Promoted the word peach to give him a sense of guilt. However it is not its real meaning which is: miss his goal. Thus an archery man who misses his target: sins; a student who misses his exam sins, etc ... nothing to do with any guilt; if I miss a step and fall, I am responsible for my fall and in no case guilty of having committed harm towards anyone.
Hence the difficulty of distinguishing between responsible and guilty; reminiscent of contaminated blood where Georgina Dufoix used this expression: "Responsible, but not guilty! "
So effectively by inventing a concept that will “make people feel guilty”, this allows business promotion, but it is also everyone's responsibility to get caught up in these arguments or not and therefore to learn to decipher the information that solicits us. , but it does require a lot of effort and questioning… and it's exhausting! it is therefore easier to swim in the current direction than against the opposite direction.

[Ahmed]

I do not believe that "the contradiction of human nature" is to be called into question.
Living in society, we all depend on each other and this, in an increasing way, with the increasing specialization. It is therefore impossible to leave the "system", it is in this sense that it is totalitarian, since it also forces those who do not adhere to it.
There is a fundamental difference between an arbitrary ideological consensus (therefore susceptible of variations), as reported in the NT, and an economic and social mechanism as we know it.