EPR, to the dregs for EDF and Areva?

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Re: EPR, Areva to the dregs?




by Janic » 08/06/18, 12:19

Should you be aware of the news : Wink:
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In 2020, China wants 5 million electrified cars to be sold in the country. 24,7 million total vehicles were sold last year. The objective: to fight against pollution, but also to give a decisive advance to the country on a technology of the future that can be applied to many other areas than the car. And in this way, no longer be dependent on foreign oil (or at least, less dependent). https://bfmbusiness.bfmtv.com/entrepris ... 29367.html

50 million is a misery for a population of 1,390 billion inhabitants. But indeed, they want, and will be able, to become the main suppliers around the world, in any case, since China has become the factory of the world.
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The Chinese have been directly concerned by Fukushima and know what hangs in their face with this type of technology too dependent on the anger of the earth.

You are confusing your desires and the reality, which comes out even from the sources that you quote.
I have no desire for this area and the reality is not yours. As for the sites, these are the ones that you can also cite regarding the new plant, but obviously not going out of nuclear power which is not in your choice of company.
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by Leo Maximus » 08/06/18, 19:37

Janic wrote:... China does not care about the electric car as its first diapers ...

So why did they introduce 124 new "Made in China" models this year?

http://chinaautoweb.com/electric-cars/

There were 24 electric car manufacturers installed in China in 2017.
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by Leo Maximus » 08/06/18, 19:43

Janic wrote:... The Chinese were directly concerned by Fukushima ...

:?:

I'm not sure how ...

Perhaps because Japan is China's first customer and supplier, but the Fukushima disaster had little impact on the Japanese economy.
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by Janic » 08/06/18, 20:26

Janic wrote:
... China does not care about the electric car as its first diapers ...

So why did they introduce 124 new "Made in China" models this year?

http://chinaautoweb.com/electric-cars/

There were 24 electric car manufacturers installed in China in 2017.

Because China is also a liberal country for which the economy is an important factor. Whether they make forks ... or diapers, the important thing is to make, to run the machine, as with us too. And so the market that interests them is the rest of the world in order to drown this one with its products, whatever they are and therefore electric cars too, which will drown our markets as for the rest. So 24 today, 100 tomorrow and 1000 then if Europe, North America and others buy them (those who have cash, not the others) and by the way they use and consume it too, you have to that what they earn goes somewhere (for those who profit from this growth, others can remain in misery.)
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by Ahmed » 08/06/18, 23:37

I think that if the EPR was born so quickly in China, it is on the one hand that in this particular type of directed economy, important means are implemented to achieve the objectives and obstacles quickly discarded, on the other hand, the compromises concerning security are at a less restrictive degree than in our western countries (even if we cannot credit them with more cynicism: this remains identical in principle).

China, as the world's workshop, has to face a major problem: constantly increasing the quantity of goods produced in a saturated world (in the sense of fully equipping solvent customers), in order to be able to invest the enormous capital accumulated and thus ensure its increased reproduction. Only products bringing enough novelties and consumed in a massive way fulfill these specifications; the automobile, in its electric version fully meets these criteria. This product is doubly advantageous, because of its substantial initial investment and then the costs involved in its use *.

* Note that the main variable operating costs of an electric car (compared to a petrol or gas oil model) are now less energy than the energy container (batteries).
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by Janic » 09/06/18, 07:23

* Note that the main variable operating costs of an electric car (compared to a petrol or gas oil model) are now less energy than the energy container (batteries).
Batteries are just the tip of the iceberg! The real cost comes from the dismemberment of the power stations, the reprocessing of radioactive waste over thousands of years (which compared to annual use would be huge) and the possible cost of a future accident like Chernobyl or Fukushima.
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by izentrop » 09/06/18, 15:47

The old ghosts are no longer relevant. The EPR is much safer than previous generations and can already burn part of the waste. https://www.connaissancedesenergies.org ... ogique/epr
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by Janic » 09/06/18, 16:13

The old ghosts are no longer relevant. The EPR is much safer than previous generations and can already burn part of the waste. https://www.connaissancedesenergies.org ... ogic / epr
in grammar analysis, more sure that means that the old is less sure than, but also that the new is not really sure.
And that just displaces the problem. Less does not mean at all in the same way as reprocessing and storage for less important (maybe) it is, is not negligible for thousands of years

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combustib ... usag%C3%A9
so the ghosts will not have disappeared!
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Re: EPR, Areva to the dregs?




by Bardal » 09/06/18, 16:33

Janic wrote:
The old ghosts are no longer relevant. The EPR is much safer than previous generations and can already burn part of the waste. https://www.connaissancedesenergies.org ... ogic / epr
in grammar analysis, more sure that means that the old is less sure than, but also that the new is not really sure.
And that just displaces the problem. Less does not mean at all in the same way as reprocessing and storage for less important (maybe) it is, is not negligible for thousands of years

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combustib ... usag%C3%A9
so the ghosts will not have disappeared!



It would appear that vaccination against the effects of radioactive waste has been developed.
Will it be effective for over a thousand years? And is it more or less effective than isolation measures? I do not know.


But all that seems reassuring, isn't it? :?
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