Differences between electric heating and others (price)

[dirk pitt]

I have a good solution but I don't know of any programmable thermostat that does it easily:

we define a time when the heating is cut off, and a time when the temperature should become good again, and a temperature rise slope: the heating does not come back on at the time that we programmed, but the thermostat follows a slope that targets the time you have programmed: the lower the temperature the more the heating will start early and the goal will always be reached

but if it exists. at Deltadore for example.
a thermostat / programmer with external probe and variable anticipation of the rise in temperature.
it even adapts automatically in self-learning of the inertia of the system.
look here in the "excellence" range.

[chatelot16]

thank you ... there is at least something

https://www.google.fr/search?q=Tybox+32 ... 7&tbm=shop

you have to put more than 150 euro and I am wary, it will be like other gadgets of the same kind which never do exactly what I want and which cannot be modified

I prefer a real rapsbery pi type computer and interfaces of all kinds to do what I want ... not only can it control the heating and the vmc but it records everything in detail to help the development

[Did67]

Think of the Boeotians, unable to get by and who are in the cabbage with a strawberry ...

It is good that it exists for them ...

[chatelot16]

It’s precisely the Beotiens that I think: they are lost in front of electronic stuff like the Delta Gold

with good software on rapsbery: large display on television ... with internet easy remote help in case of problems

I know who has heating with modern thermostat: he let the installer put it into service and it never touches anything ... very sad ... and I can do nothing for them because it is too long to understand how it works, I would have to stay there for several days

the advantage of a real computer is the ability to record everything in detail and allow remote focusing

[dirk pitt]

it is as you feel it but it is on the contrary very easy to adjust: you announce at what time you want your comfort temperature and it anticipates according to the outside sensor.
it automatically measures the time to obtain the setpoint temperature to modify its anticipation.
but of course, some will prefer "handmade"

[SixK]

Personally, I find it lamentable that we cannot program the heating control units by a simple USB port.

To program mine, I first had to make a heating schedule under excel, and then schedule the heating to start 15 minutes / 15 minutes for all days of the week!

Once programmed, it's not the kind of thing that you want to change every 3 days!

In addition, things like Delta Dore are incompatible with home automation boxes. And the delta dore home automation boxes are incompatible with Velux shutters ...
In France, we have understood everything, we protect communication protocols at all costs instead of making them public.

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[chatelot16]

it is true that a simple usb socket on the thermostat allowing to load a programming made on pc would be a minimum

on all the thermostats I have seen, if anyone touches the buttons you have to spend a very long time to put it back as you wanted ... it is unmanageable

on certain it is possible to block them, but once blocked we can no longer make the slightest modification: we no longer even know how to turn off the heating if we need to open the windows ...

when you talk about programming the temperature every 1/4 hour, it may be to make a ramp of temperature rise arriving at the right temperature at the scheduled time ... it is an archaic means .. a good system should be able to calculate this ramp on its own: this is what the golden delta does from the previous link: the problem is that it only manages one piece ... putting 150 euros for each piece seems to me ruinous

I am looking for a means of connection between a small computer rapsbery pi and thermometer and other sensor placed where necessary and relays controlling each radiator

there are currently a multitude of woefully incompatible home automation buses ... if I want to make equipment of this kind I have no other solution than to make my own bus ... one more

[Did67]

Yes, but "France" has a good back in the business! These are globalized societies ... Standards have been Europe for a long time.

And it should be noted that Europe, in the field, is "relatively" efficient. For example, it has succeeded in imposing the "mini-USB" as the only port for laptop chargers ... In other markets, it's still a mess ... Very simple measure, which I'm starting to see the effect at home, where we have stopped running after each charger!

To weigh today on global standards, we must "weigh" at least half a billion potential customers ...

[SixK]

when you talk about programming the temperature every 1/4 hour, it may be to make a ramp of temperature rise arriving at the right temperature at the scheduled time ... it is an archaic means .. a good system should be able to calculate this ramp on its own: this is what the golden delta does from the previous link: the problem is that it only manages one piece ... putting 150 euros for each piece seems to me ruinous

In fact, it is just a box that manages the triggering of the heating by pilot wire, Comfort Mode / Normal mode.
Then it is the heating temperature sensor which manages whether it should heat or not.
The system allows you to heat a little more before getting up (preferably off during off-peak hours) and in the evening before arriving.

I am looking for a means of connection between a small computer rapsbery pi and thermometer and other sensor placed where necessary and relays controlling each radiator

there are currently a multitude of woefully incompatible home automation buses ... if I want to make equipment of this kind I have no other solution than to make my own bus ... one more

Personally I would rather look for an arduino / Raspberry PI mix.
Arduino for all that is probe.
Raspberry for info gathering.

After, either you can pass cables and you manage everything by wire. (this is probably the least expensive solution)
Either you manage in RF433 short range, RF868 probably more important range, Bluetooth short range, Wifi, Zigbee (can be quite expensive)

Personally, I made myself a connected weather station, I would have to publish all my work on GitHub one day or I would be motivated.
I can retrieve information from an Optio probe using RF433 (low-end weather station external module).
But the range is around 5m ...

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[chatelot16]

the pilot wire is very sad ... it only controls the thermostat of the radiator between a normal temperature and a reduced temperature

what i want is precise indoor and outdoor temperature sensors and a thermostat that calculates what it takes

for my home I don't need anything I do what I want with the means on board ... what I'm looking for is to make and put in those who need automatic system

arduino is for tinkering ... to make it is a microcontroller without locking in the limitations of the arduino

remains to find the right means of communication between the micro controller which will serve as sensor or actuator and the rapsbery which will command

even wired wire by wire it is not simple: the logic signals are fragile, it burns out with the overvoltages that hang everywhere I2C or SPI buses are not made for long distance

a PLC system gives both the advantage of going through existing 220V cables, and avoids carrying fragile logic signals

pay attention to the word CPL, originally it means carrier current online, frequency about 100kHz so low speed ... now CPL means ethernet link box with high speed with multiple carrier between 1MHz and 30MHz

this high speed computing CPL should not make us forget that the simple low speed CPL still exists