Why dismantle nuclear power plants?

[sen-no-sen]

Did you see the story ????

Yes, and this report only reinforced my position.

The Germans launched a domain (dismantling) who bring their for sure.
Their approach is strong in the sense that it took a definite commitment to nuclear output.

It's a shame: at the end of this "phase", the Germans will have a leadership role in wind power, photovoltaics (with the USA and China), biomass (pellets, cogeneration) and .... dismantling.

And it is not the only area ...
You talk about the process, but the German advance is precisely on us in this area, as with the Japanese magnetic levitation.
The example does not fail!

France In spite of all ads effects suggest that the output of nuclear power is not considered.
The PS made vague promise to recover the votes of EELV and calm the fears related to Fukushima.
The construction of the reactor ASTRID (Super-phoenix 2) prove that the nuclear lobby wants to develop the 4 generation and we impose it.
What we do say, nuclear power for significant market share in the global energy balance of tomorrow and Areva know that, and he does not want to sit on the goose egg thorium!

[Janic]

France In spite of all ads effects suggest that the output of nuclear power is not considered.
The PS made vague promise to recover the votes of EELV and calm the fears related to Fukushima.

one can also wonder who would be naive to think otherwise as long PS says his pro-nuclear position.

[Flytox]

The current operator must pay for dismantling and ultimate storage. This is the only way to charge the "true cost". And that very quickly, the industry will be ... forgotten!

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On the other hand, in fact, I think that this waste should be stored so that it can be reworked, taken back the day when we "know how to do better".

Unfortunately, we see clearly that the cost is so high (even unknown) that in our society today is your proposal unacceptable.

The choice is to bury waste permanently and basta. And soon the waste is forgotten ...!

Which is unacceptable is that the average citizen is subject to the madness greedy and irresponsible few policymakers and other crooked politicos who have positioned their mass destruction plants throughout France and elsewhere without any discernment, information risk and consent of the people.

These same irresponsible dangerous now would hide the mer.e under the carpet and pretend the problem will be resolved. Besides these idiots citizens, fortunately they believe they do not even have the means to pay the dismantling, so we must continue to rush headlong into the next Tchernoshima disaster, we do not care we put in full excavation now, and our descendants démerderont with what will remain ..... after me, the deluge ...

The real priority is to stop any the nuke as soon as possible. Stop increasing the problems the resolution of price increases exponentially.

Moreover we have the means to stop the disaster of the nuke, when "we must" bail out the banks, the means become unlimited, whatever the consequences on the country's indebtedness ... but there, the security of the population is really a luxury since it does not enrich the promoters of the nuke ...

[Aumicron]

FlytoxI generally agree with your response theory. I too am a staunch opponent of the nuke but we must look reality in the face. When you say:

What is unacceptable is that the average citizen is subject to the greedy and irresponsible folly of some policy makers and other crooked politicos

Personally, what is unacceptable is that the average French citizen is complicit in the current situation and it does not make much effort to get out. The average citizen has chosen to bear the risk of nuclear power to use (waste?) The maximum power at the lowest cost.

The real priority is to stop all the nuke as soon as possible.

For me, the real priority is to make the decision to stop the nuke and take time to get out very cleanly because the nuke industry to a huge inertia. And that this decision is taken, it is imperative to change the average person's state of mind without which nothing is possible.

And when you resume discussions on this forum on the theme of nuclear you understand quickly enough that it is not won.

[Flytox]

Personally, what is unacceptable is that the average French citizen or accomplice the current situation and does not make much effort to get out. The average citizen chose support the nuclear risk to use (waste?) the maximum power at the lowest cost.

Who says nothing consents do not necessarily .... but the average citizen has never chosen to support the nuclear risk, we have never had the right to anything other than support the policy of fait accompli and the status misinformation ... The citizen wasting all kinds of energy we are in agreement, the electricity like the rest ... that is also not low-cost, between disguised subsidies and the huge cost of dismantling that will be paid to delay high price ....

The real priority is to stop all the nuke as soon as possible.

For me, the real priority is to make the decision to stop the nuke and to take time to get out very cleanly because the nuke industry to a huge inertia. And that this decision is taken, it is imperative to change the average person's state of mind without which nothing is possible.

And when you resume discussions on this forum on the theme of nuclear you understand quickly enough that it is not won.

To take one's time, indeed, as long as there is no Chernoshima in France, some are ready to deny all the evidence. The good moment to stop is when it will be too late and it will evacuate the country instantly and forever, to die of cancer a little further ...

to get out very neatly

There is no way out cleanly nuclear. It will be a human and economic tragedy in all scenarios even without considering the worst. Lasting pleasure is only a diversion of those who profit on the back and the safety of citizens.

... Nuke a huge inertia

So the more difficult it is that you do not have to do anything ....

And that this decision is taken, it is imperative to change the average person's state of mind without which nothing is possible.

Not what must be changed is the band of irresponsible dangerous that directs operations by trying to make believe that they are essential, infallible and that all is well safely and that nothing can change evolve. The decision has never belonged to the average citizen and the only thing they want to change in the citizen's state of mind is the justified suspicion that they carry towards nuclear.

[Janic]

flytox hello

Who says nothing consents do not necessarily .... but the average person has never chosen to bear the nuclear risk, we have never had the right to anything other than support the policy of fait accompli and misinformation State ... the citizen wasting all kinds of energy we are in agreement, the electricity as the rest ... that is also not low-cost, between disguised subsidies and the huge cost of dismantling that will be paid full price ticking ....

it would seem that the average citizen expresses his choice by the ballot! Or who has clearly stated its position on the fast déclunéarisation and who supported?

[surunitairedream]

For info, towards a less risky, costly and restrictive "nuclear", with the added bonus of no risk of fuel shortage!

http://www.drgoulu.com/2013/05/18/latom ... mment-3289

[sen-no-sen]

For info, towards a less risky, costly and restrictive "nuclear", with the added bonus of no risk of fuel shortage!

http://www.drgoulu.com/2013/05/18/latom ... mment-3289

Pure propaganda!
The green atom! (The only green thing is the color of dollars that results!)
Thorium is of interest to "nucleocrats" because there are potential reserves that could cover our needs for 500 years!
Thorium use is provided in the 4 generation of nuclear power plants (liquid or molten sodium salts).
However, although it is possible to "burn" the fuel more efficiently to give it a second life (principle of regenerators and breeder), the fact remains that there would always be high intensity radioactive waste. .
What is more, so-called fast neutron breeders present risks related to their operation much greater than the current so-called "slow neutron" plants.

Sell ​​the idea that nuclear power could be green thanks to its technology, it is simply a way to regain a market marred by accidents at Chernobyl and Fukushima into believing that risks are reduced, then that is exactly Conversely!

[moinsdewatt]

Chooz A nuclear plant: Areva decontaminates the main components

Enerzine the 30 2013 August

Areva said Thursday it had successfully decontaminated the main components of the Chooz A, located in the Ardennes.

The first project of this kind carried out by Areva in France, the decontamination of the elements of the primary circuit - four steam generators, the pressurizer and the lines of this primary circuit - constitutes for the nuclear group an important step in the ongoing dismantling of the Central.

The decontamination was carried out with a combination of two of Areva techniques, CORD UV and AMDA. This is based on the gradual introduction in the primary circuit of chemicals that circulate there for several days, until the end of the process. By this process, Areva arrived to significantly reduce the degree of radioactivity of components that could be classified as "very low level radioactive waste." After decontamination, they were transported to a center of the National Agency for Radioactive Waste Management (Andra) in the Aube, in order to be stored.

Areva says that compared to other available solutions, Areva's decontamination technology produces "a very low volume of radioactive waste", which Andra also supports. When the process is complete, the chemicals used are broken down into carbon dioxide and water, leaving no surplus.

"The success of this operation demonstrates the efficiency of our decontamination process. For 35 years, this proven, efficient and economical solution has enabled Areva to decontaminate the components of more than 30 nuclear power plants around the world, particularly in Germany, Japan, China and the United States ", declared Philippe Samama, Director of the Installed Base Business Unit.

http://www.enerzine.com/2/16167+central ... ants+.html

[moinsdewatt]

Behind the scenes of a construction nuclear decommissioning

Posted on April 09, 2014 by Gabriel Siméon | Science & technology

While Hollande has pledged to close the Fessenheim plant by the end of 2016, reportage in Chooz in the Ardennes, pilot site in dismantling aging reactors.


Construction workers Chooz A wizard in the evacuation of one of the four steam generators - © EDF

The smoke coming out of the two cooling towers still active in Chooz (Ardennes) - pronounced "cho" - would almost forget that here we dismantle. On this nuclear site built there nearly fifty years 55 kilometers north of Charleville-Mezieres and a few wing beats of the Belgian border, hundreds of technicians led by EDF still busily dismembering the Chooz nuclear reactor A. Twenty-three years after it stopped! Almost as much as its operating life, twenty-four years, of 1967 1991 to.

Chooz A is the most advanced construction of the nine first-generation reactors today deconstruction in France - with Brennilis (Finistère), 1 Bugey (Ain), Chinon A1, A2 and A3 (Indre-et-Loire), Creys -Malville (Isère), St. Lawrence and A1 A2 (Loir-et-Cher). It is also the only technological family pressurized water which members 58 French reactors still in operation. And, as such, it is a game of deconstruction that prefigures that of Fessenheim, Alsace Central Francois Hollande has pledged to close by the end of 2016. In any case, before the end of his term.

In the Ardennes, the challenge is to size for EDF. For if the life of existing plants is not extended beyond forty years, the electricity giant theoretically will pour worksites such as Fessenheim at the rate of at least two reactors a year from 2017 without having completed his term such a business. "The experience of Chooz will be very useful, even if it will not make things exactly the same way, ensures Philippe Bernet, deputy director of deconstruction and Environmental Engineering Center (CIDEN), attached to EDF, which ensures the visit. Today we can already say that masters all techniques work. "

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