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by sen-no-sen » 29/04/11, 18:31

Christophe wrote:Ah yes ... as an electoral PROMISE.

I decided not to vote anymore. All make me vomit.

: Mrgreen:


I said offer ... : Lol:
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by dedeleco » 29/04/11, 19:36

I decided not to vote anymore. All make me vomit.

They only represent the French and their behavior.

Also you have to vote the least bad, but show your opinion, given the number of countries without democracy, Syria, etc ... or vote in Belgium or Germany, like Cohn Bendit preferable to N Hulot, rather dull and weather vane !!
I prefer those with a real powerful clear action like J Bové !!

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Hulot
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Bov%C3%A9
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by Obamot » 29/04/11, 19:39

pb2488 wrote:
(Like pb2488, trapped industrialist who wanted to deny planned obsolescence ^^)!



Being a follower of dramaturgy, exaggeration, caricature, you should at least add: "malicious industrialist and soulless conspirator".


Since you say it ... The problem is that you boasted about it - what made you come out of the woods like Addrelyn - but when you are asked "Industrial in which field", Monsieur disappears from forum...

So it's such an infamous job, to the point of hiding it?
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by Christophe » 29/04/11, 19:45

Obamot and pb, do you want me to lock this one too?
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by pb2488 » 29/04/11, 20:47

An article on German "common sense":
The prospects for electricity production in 2020 in Germany seem very interesting in terms of the share of renewable energies. But is this really the case without the ability of neighboring countries to supply renewable electricity or not?
http://www.actualites-news-environnemen ... istes.html

Not everything is so rosy, finally so green ...
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by dedeleco » 29/04/11, 22:11

the use of French nuclear power to ensure security of German supply,
will be definitively deleted when a Chernobyl-Fukushima will have occurred in France inevitable sooner or later, because the men and the nuclear cannot be perpetually infallible, without earthquakes of force 7 to 9, even in France, which makes a bet of madness with nuclear power.

On a fairly large Europe, there is always a region with wind, with sun to provide the necessary energy without nuclear.

I can store the solar thermal heat of summer in the shallow earth a few tens of meters to find it in winter, 6 months later, storage resembling geothermal energy, but with no energy limit given the solar source with a flux of 1KW / m2 !!
On the surface of my garden I can thus store the annual consumption of thermal energy of my house (with insulation of the years 74 and with losses and thermal bridges) without pain as realized for years by
http://www.dlsc.ca/DLSC_Brochure_f.pdf
http://www.dlsc.ca
and therefore it is possible to have all the necessary energy with Stirling thermal engines, even thermoacoustic (or more efficient) using this summer solar thermal energy stored over 6 months to replace nuclear power plants with this storage system, pseudo-geological type individual to each house or building.
If we had put a thousandth of the research wasted on nuclear power there would be this type of system developed in France operating in perpetuity locally. !!
A http://www.dlsc.ca it's already ready for heating energy with 15m2 of thermal solar panels per house. My house, 4 times worse than that, would need 60m2, less than its roof area !!

So calling monstrosity the total replacement of nuclear by renewable energy is a pure hypocritical lie equivalent to completely blocking this progress is to transform France into an uninhabitable radioactive dumping ground by disasters which will inevitably happen there sooner or later !!!

I'm not talking about other possible viable advances like growing algae in the sun, even at sea, to give oil without problems.
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by pb2488 » 29/04/11, 22:24

dedeleco wrote:If we had put a thousandth of the research wasted on nuclear power there would be this type of system developed in France operating in perpetuity locally. !!.

In the very many countries which have not chosen nuclear power, they have even had to invest much more than a thousandth. We see what comes out of it: https://www.econologie.com/forums/post201164.html#201164
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Conclusion: nuclear power is not an obstacle to renewables
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by dedeleco » 29/04/11, 23:16

Again pb2488, the negator of real deaths due to Chernobyl, continues to distort !!
The goal of pb2488 is to stifle and lock all posts with nuclear on econology !!

I'm talking about research to develop (already done at www.dlsc.ca for heating), no investments to reproduce locally everywhere to replace nuclear whose cost is appallingly underestimated by disasters, deaths and waste carried over to full of future generations, cost even in their damaged DNA !!
Fukushima and tsunami will cost at least 1000 billion dollars in Japan.

However, the renewable investment that I consider often becomes perpetual, indestructible, without pollution, without CO2, without deaths, without disasters, without radiation from the population. over generations, without sterilization of an entire region evacuated for centuries !!
The one at www.dlsc.ca is for life, wear-free, with no operating expenses like nuclear which needs intense maintenance, irradiating its disposable personnel after the dose reached !!
So comparing its amortization to nuclear is one more manipulation !!
In addition, well designed (with just 1 / 1000th of wasted research for nuclear power which is still not safe) its cost is around one to two boilers and the insulation of the house, this to avoid never again have heating expenses !!
The main thing to improve is inexpensive drilling with a simple hole punch or auger.
After these are just cheap plastic pipes under glass in earth holes, heated floors and circulator and valves and microprocessor management !!

In addition pb2488 gives links which come to nothing, making it impossible to verify the precise details of his manipulative assertions.
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by loop » 29/04/11, 23:25

Good evening everyone ,

Christophe wrote:

Wind turbines "emerging market" according to Areva? Nice joke but we are more like a joke near their CONmunication service ...


Brief history of the Jeumont Industries wind turbine:

Large wind turbine prototype (750 kW) designed by
Jeumont Industrie (Framatome group) on the site
of Widehem (Pas-de-Calais) which will have six.
This type of wind turbine is mass produced
as part of the Éole 2005 program.

The 750 kW "direct drive and variable speed" wind turbine from Jeumont Industrie is equipped with an innovative generator (known as "discoid technology") and an electronic converter which allows coupling to the network and authorizes operation at variable rotor speed. This unique cutting-edge technology makes it possible to obtain more efficient machines and is also distinguished from its competitors by the concept of power control by aerodynamic stall (instead of variable timing).


Source

http://badkiller.alex.pagesperso-orange.fr/Avenir_eoliennes.htm

In 2005, Jeumont was owned by ... Framatome who obviously did not support the project because it was undoubtedly too promising.
Since then, the company has become a subsidiary of Altawest.
When we look at the photos on the home page, we understand better where the interests of this company are.
Come on .... a little flower to pass the pill.

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Jeumont Industrie had been one of the pioneer French companies to feel the wind of onshore wind in the 1990s. But this specialist in electric motors and generators, based in Jeumont (North), had not managed to find the right formula. Owned by the Areva group at the time (ex-Framatome), the company ended up coming out empty-handed. Controlled since 2007 by the French group Altawest, the new Jeumont Electric entity could revisit its history ... but this time on the offshore market. She wants to catch the winds of the future French tender.


source:

http://www.greenunivers.com/2011/03/jeumont-electric-rempile-dans-leolien-mais-vise-loffshore-premium-54129/

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by jlt22 » 30/04/11, 00:04

In this post, we focus a little too much on sarko, on manufacturers and their monopoly.
However, everything that is produced is consumed by the consumers that we are. These are increasing exponentially, because the Chinese and the Indians have an increasing standard of living and want to consume like the Europeans and the Americans.

The consumers that we are are ready to do anything to acquire all the innovations that manufacturers produce.

So we are the ones responsible for all this mess,
because we don't know how to say no.

You can therefore put end to end all the energies present and to come, it will end up not being enough any more and, the climatic disasters will become more and more deadly; certain regions will no longer be habitable, therefore no difference with nuclear from this point of view.

Before fighting to regulate the energies, we should drastically reduce our consumption, namely:
-to become vegetarians
-living in passive collective housing, finished the small individual house
-living near our work and using only collective public transport or cycling and walking
- consume only local products.
- do not waste (half of the agricultural production goes to the trash)
-not clutter with superfluous gadgets, see useless
-spend your vacation in your corner fishing or strolling in nature, if necessary only use the train to go a little further
This list is far from being exhaustive.

Anyway in a century or two we will come because the stock of raw materials will be disappearing.
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