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by Did67 » 26/10/15, 14:30

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Fuck guys, save some money and let's have a little laugh! At 20 million households, we can do it! It would be a nice high class "class action"!


Yes of course to save money, but the solar, wind, hydropower is cheaper than nuke on my roof and solar 3kwc there then it could very easily there be a 15wc price lower than the nuke. I speak prefried money that low doses.
Although heating with recess that is the cata:
https://www.google.fr/search?q=convecte ... 23&bih=519


Yes of course. I should have added: "... and those who can, produce a maximum of renewable!"
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by raymon » 26/10/15, 20:34

The cost of the EPR even more ruinous, a mediapart article:
http://blogs.mediapart.fr/blog/benjamin ... -la-france[/ Quote]
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by moinsdewatt » 31/10/15, 11:25

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I do not think that the proliferation is enough unless you have superconductors for high voltage lines or so you have to show me


We don't really need superconducting cables.

High voltage HVDC lines are sufficient.
see here : http://www.oleocene.org/phpBB3/viewtopi ... 6&start=75

There are Nexans and ABB for cables and Alstom for continuous transformer substations and vice versa.
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by Exnihiloest » 31/10/15, 11:52

moinsdewatt wrote:...
We don't really need superconducting cables.

High voltage HVDC lines are sufficient.
see here : http://www.oleocene.org/phpBB3/viewtopi ... 6&start=75

There are Nexans and ABB for cables and Alstom for continuous transformer substations and vice versa.


Let's say they have less losses than AC lines, but still more losses than superconductors.
But I agree with you because it is difficult to see how we could cool the thousands of km of high voltage lines to -170 °. Superconducting is only valid for short sections, in urban areas in particular where the disruptive voltage is lower than the voltage which would be necessary for sufficiently low losses, because there is not enough distance between conductors, relative to the insulation.

The advantage of the DC is that there are no losses by radiation or by capacitive or inductive coupling (reactive power). On the other hand, power electronics are needed for the AC / DC and inverse conversion, at each end of the line.
Tesla had rightly won the support for alternating current, against Edison who was favorable to the continuous, because at the time this electronics did not exist. In addition, there were continuous electrolysis problems degrading the connections in rainy weather. Today these two points are better controlled and we can review the choice, at least for transport over long distances. The Russians, since the time of the USSR, given the distances to cover in their country, have been active in this field, setting up such lines, up to almost 1MV.
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Re: Nuclear: EDF wants to convert its fleet to the EPR model




by Exnihiloest » 31/10/15, 11:57

jean.caissepas wrote:
EDF plans to eventually replace the current French nuclear fleet by "dozens" of a new model of EPR, announces AFP Friday.
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The alternatives being nonexistent, or premature (ITER), one cannot throw the stone to them too easily (if one still wants electric current for the private individuals and the industry).
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by raymon » 31/10/15, 12:28

The alternatives being nonexistent, or premature (ITER), one cannot throw the stone to them too easily (if one still wants electric current for the private individuals and the industry

essential to take a reactor in the face. 12% of the electricity in the world, 17% of the energy in France and in addition it is expensive. More than 110 euros per Mwh.
ITER will never work.
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by Exnihiloest » 01/11/15, 19:54

raymon wrote:essential to take a reactor in the face.

An argument at least as strong as: "all the winners have played". I'm impressed.

12% of the electricity in the world, 17% of the energy in France and in addition it is expensive. More than 110 euros per Mwh.

Nuclear that pays for solar energy for individuals ...

17%? Inverting the numbers?
It would have changed so much since 2013 ?! Hmm ...

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... ITER will never work.

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by raymon » 01/11/15, 20:11

Nuclear that pays for solar energy for individuals ...

In France of course but it is wanted politically.
Example redo a roof or integrate panels into a roof to inflate the price of kwh to 60cts.
New nuclear is more expensive than solar and new wind. In addition with cast iron reactor vessels ...

You confuse energy and electricity. Your case it works with plutonium maybe. I'm ready to bet that it runs on diesel.
Yes 17% of the final energy.
thanks to the spectacular drop in the cost of photovoltaic panels, by more than 80% since 2008, the price of solar electricity for large photovoltaic plants fell between 60 and 90 dollars (from 54 to 80 euros) per megawatt hour during calls for '' international offers in 2015; in France, many files from the latest solar tender offer a price for purchasing electricity at less than 80 euros / MWh, while that for onshore wind energy amounts to 82 euros;

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89ner ... BBt_du_kWh
So much for solar and leolian is even less.
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by moinsdewatt » 01/11/15, 20:22

raymon wrote:
essential to take a reactor in the face. 12% of the electricity in the world, 17% of the energy in France and in addition it is expensive. More than 110 euros per Mwh.
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Displaying the figure of 17% of energy in France is the basic fallacious argument of the antinukes. Let it be known that cars consume fuel which is neither nuke nor solar. So talk about the energy is next to the plate. It is from the nuke in electricity that is relevant.

and as Exnihiloest reminds us, nuke is the basis of almost 3/4 of our electricity.
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by Exnihiloest » 01/11/15, 20:25

raymon wrote:...
New nuclear more expensive than solar and new wind. Especially with cast iron reactor vessels ...


I expect people who are convinced of solar or wind, who have their own roof (which is only the case for a minority of dwellings, as for buildings, the roof surface is not sufficient), that they show us the efficiency of their installation by renouncing the network.
So what are they waiting for to acquire their energy autonomy, they already have tech, right?

They are smart: they do not tell us that they also need a network, and they do not tell us that they do not include the cost of the network in the cost of solar (not to mention the cost new engineering to be developed to operate a network of completely decentralized sources).
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