France contaminated with Uranium? Exhibits 11/02

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by bham » 13/02/09, 11:11

Christophe wrote:
In other words:everything that is radioactive is not dangerous, we all are!


So say Christophe you're ripe to work at Areva : Lol:
I hope you're not saying: "move on, there's nothing to see, everything is under control".

Well I'm kidding but I find your conclusion somewhat hasty, others would say oriented or even instrumentalized:
Christophe wrote:- either this contamination is not dangerous in the immediate future (and when we heard journalists talking about contaminated network water ... contaminated it means what it means): it has no influence on cancers
I'm starting to believe the thesis of the two guys from Agoravox: the criirad, on which the docu-mentary has largely relied, does not know how to take correct measures ... with regard to health at least?


The health studies do not need to be pipetted, it is enough that they are incomplete, it would be necessary besides to be interested in differentiating the types of cancer.
On the other hand and I have already written it, a speaker in this program clearly stated that radioactivity could cause genetic mutations several generations later, so it does not have to reach high thresholds to act on our organism; it's part of the precautionary principle.

As for saying that the Criirad "does not know how to take correct measures ... with regard to health at least", even if I do not know this association, it seems to me that it is sufficiently authoritative in the matter and that the guys who work there certainly know more about it than the rest of us.
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by Christophe » 13/02/09, 11:21

bham wrote:
Christophe wrote:
In other words:everything that is radioactive is not dangerous, we all are!


So say Christophe you're ripe to work at Areva : Lol:
I hope you're not saying: "move on, there's nothing to see, everything is under control".


It's not at all what I say, far from it, but if you had looked at the links above you would have read this: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becquerel

The becquerel (without other unit) characterizes the activity of a global source:

* Human being: an individual weighing 70 kg has an activity (NATURAL, I will specify) of the order of 8000 Bq, 5000 of which are due to potassium 40
* Thyroid scan: 37 · 10 ^ 6 Bq (in practice 0,1 MBq per kg of patient weight)
* 60Co source used for gamma sterilization: between 10 ^ 9 Bq and 10 ^ 15 Bq.
* Activity of a uranium core releasing 1 MWth: 3,2 x 10 ^ 16 Bq
* Spent fuel in a nuclear reactor: 10 ^ 19 Bq


So we are all radioactive using a fairly precise measuring device. Well I know that man is a dangerous species but surely not because of its natural radioactivity ... : Mrgreen:

It was a bit of a demonstration, missed, by Areva's spokesperson by measuring a block of granite: it was only 0.4 while the other Elyse Lucet sample rose to 2.6 I think ...
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by bham » 13/02/09, 11:41

I did not question the fact that we are radioactive, I was just afraid of a possible conclusion that we could be trying to draw from it, a kind of Areva style conclusion, see that we are not risking nothing we are already radioactive by ourselves.
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by julo » 13/02/09, 12:00

it is clear that anyway we all live with radioactivity around us and this every day, at a very low threshold of course because natural, there is the sun, the earth which emits rays too, without forgetting the television sets, cell phones and everything that follows, but what is certain is that the different places presented in the report shows us a big neglect, the 30 or 40 micro SV / h that there is to some places are harmful if we stay there for a long time, a risk of cancer is very important if we have that under our house and that we stay there 20 years, it was more that my rant, it's the fact that '' in these places, even if it was not confined, there were no barriers prohibiting access and claiming that there is radioactivity and by this fact I find it unacceptable that we left the people settled there.
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by Christophe » 13/02/09, 12:19

bham wrote:I did not question the fact that we are radioactive, I was just afraid of a possible conclusion that we could be trying to draw from it, a kind of Areva style conclusion, see that we are not risking nothing we are already radioactive by ourselves.


1) Not at all ...

2) The Gegyx doc is excellent, I put it in the downloads:
https://www.econologie.com/nucleaire-les ... -4034.html

I looked at Alsace: there are 3 "mines" which in fact are not because never a gram of uranium came out: it was just prospecting.

However, the documentary clearly indicated these 3 Alsatian dots as "uranium mines" on the map which appeared several times on the screen ...

So who is handling whom?

3) Areva is not happy: http://www.lesechos.fr/info/energie/afp ... r=RSS-2007

Waste from uranium mines: Areva evokes a "slanderous" report

The France 3 program "Pièces à conviction", broadcast on Wednesday, presented "in a slanderous manner" the management of the old French uranium mining sites by Areva, believes this group. "The redevelopment and environmental monitoring of old mines are carried out according to a rigorous methodology ... ...


Funny they do not react on the conflict of interest of the controlled controller and the control of Areva on the highest authorities of the State ...

4) To return to the Uranium mines, here is the current state of world resources:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_mining

I thought the% of Africa was higher ...

Here is the European supply for 2007:

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by Remundo » 13/02/09, 13:09

The examination of uranium resources and their geographical situation has something to strengthen the energy "independence" of France based on nuclear power. : Cheesy:
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by AIR » 13/02/09, 13:30

To answer further, that the technical debate on uranium. Several errors were noted. One that scares me is that of the quarry embankment. DRIRE carries out its work in the light of the results shown by the operator.
And the thing also, it is that one puts the work of the Journalist forward and not that of the regulation made practices. Politicians, a little too lax and still in power and who make it a profession.
Citizens, who watch this kind of program and who discover this problem .... and there are others (Releases from industries, incinerators, foundry, pesticides and neighbors, transgenic seeds, water and plastics with pthalates, etc ...)
Too bad..
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by Former Oceano » 13/02/09, 23:04

The program can be accessed (for now) on the France 3 site at this address:

http://programmes.france3.fr/pieces-a-c ... 247-fr.php

For those who have RealPlayer, there is the possibility to download the video.
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by Christophe » 13/02/09, 23:06

Ah great oceano, I saved a blank DVD!

As for downloading, don't bother with RealPlayer (yuck): right button + net transportation

Remundo wrote:The examination of uranium resources and their geographical situation has something to strengthen the energy "independence" of France based on nuclear power. : Cheesy:


Well yes: it has been zero since the closure of the last mine on French territory.

Do we count Africa or not?
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by Remundo » 14/02/09, 00:49

We do not count it: this kind of country can quickly make allegiance to stronger powers than the declining France ...
... and no longer grant the exploitation of their deposits to French piti.
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