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by Leo Maximus » 26/02/10, 12:28

Mmmm ... But why still reinvent what already exists? Isn't good links better? The archives of American universities are extraordinarily rich, about nuclear, there are (among many others) Oak Ridge Associated Universities here: http://www.orau.org/ptp/museumlibrary.htm with a bunch of declassified documents of great interest in the history of nuclear power. Admittedly, it is in English but English is not only the gibberish of roastbeefs, it is also the international language, it's like that.

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by sen-no-sen » 26/02/10, 12:46

One fact is often overshadowed by anti-nuclear agents, namely that in certain regions of the world the level of radioactivity is sometimes equal to or greater than so-called irradiated areas (artificially), this is the example of RAMSAR in Iran and GUARAPARI in Brazil, which are ... seaside resorts.
At RAMSAR, for example, a study showed that the number of genetic abnormalities was lower among the locals, than the national average ...
Apparently radiation up to a certain threshold could have beneficial effects on health, it is past a certain point that these become harmful, even fatal.
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by Leo Maximus » 26/02/10, 12:54

There is a used Nardeux Babyline for sale at Electropuces (Nantes):

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/electropuces/physique.htm (see the bottom of the page).

290 € is not expensive, and a Babyline is rare. It cost a brick and a half in 1980. Normally, there is a radioactive source (polonium 210?) Included for calibration.

I am correcting microchips: a Babyline (manufactured in Loches by Nardeux) is not a Geiger counter. Instruments of this type simulate and measure the absorption of radioactivity by the human body using an ionization chamber made of carbon paper. The spectrum is very wide, since it is sensitive to soft X-rays but also to cosmic rays, this is not the case with Geiger counters. And it's much more sensitive than a Geiger counter.

Nardeux became Canberra of the Areva group.

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by dedeleco » 26/02/10, 13:46

First an enormous progress the lobby reflects on the unimaginable !!
Friday, December 4, 2009, in Lille, is held the conference "the preparation for the post-nuclear accident"
http://www.sortirdunucleaire.org/actual ... hp?aff=646
Sign the petitions on this site if you want to support those who act:
http://www.sortirdunucleaire.org/
http://www.sortirdunucleaire.org/index. ... page=index
see also Greenpeace.
So our managers will not be surprised by the need to evacuate in an emergency night, without hope of returning for centuries, an entire region in the Rhône valley, or the Cotentin or in Paris and Nogent sur Seine !!!
On the other hand, some have shown that radiation, at the right dose, retains !!! The proof :
6/1/2010 - Japanese Tsutomu Yamaguchi, who survived the two atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945 before telling the world the horrors of these weapons, died of stomach cancer at the age of 93

http://www.dissident-media.org/infonucl ... ombes.html

I did not know the information given by Oiseautempete on the war of 1914, thank you and there have been hundreds of deaths with this explosive nitrate, indisputable deaths because immediate, unlike asbestos and nuclear which hide many more deaths with a delay of 30 years !!
The nuclear lobby, like that of asbestos itself creates the conditions for its own loss because the obvious and the reality end up being imposed by the number of deaths:
asbestos over 100000 underestimated delayed deaths
Nuclear far more deaths already with weapons (Russian and USA) and Chernobyl but hidden because widespread in space and time: how many in Europe have ingested a microparticle of the ton of plutonium dispersed by Chernobyl ???
Easy to calculate: how many nanograms in a tonne? Spread this across Europe to have the density per m2 then calculate the area of ​​plants eaten by each of us forgetting the bird droppings from Chernobyl full of plutonium and mushrooms ???
A well posed problem is half solved !!!!
In my opinion, more than one death in 10000 in Europe is caused in addition by Chernobyl but it is unprovable!
The French nuclear lobby will collapse the day when a serious accident (but hope not too serious?) Will evacuate for hundreds of years an entire quiet corner of France (hope not too big) !!
So all those who heat with electricity (even heat pump) will start shivering !!!
Chernobyl was not enough to raise awareness among the French of this unacceptable danger, unlike the Germans, already very polluted by their old chemistry (dioxin and other chemistry).

A few years after Chernobyl we found more or less Russian Geiger counters easily in electronics, as the need is less intense, we find more.
If you learn electronics and the basics of physics, you can tinker with an ionization detector with almost nothing like Pierre Curie before 1900 who didn't have a single transistor !!!
For a few hundred € we can buy a Geiger counter but we won't detect a microparticle of Plutonium which kills you like asbestos 30 years later !!!
on google geiger counter first gives 163 €:
http://www.laboandco.com/mesure-environ ... 4wodE2dNdA
claims to enrich google !!!!
You can tinker for more with this plan:
http://geigercounter.oritech.com/fr/fabriquez_le.htm
So if you still have an old gas camping lamp sleeve from the 70s to 80s you can measure its radioactivity due to refractory thorium oxide with a period around 11 billion years and therefore slightly radioactive (memory like uranium from supernova at the origin of the solar system 5 billion years ago), but there is no point in sleeping with it near your bed in a tent or caravan, which we did in the past !!!!

Finally if you are looking for a good performance lighting lamp much better than the UV fluorescent one invented a century ago the X-ray without hesitation (70 to 80%) instead of UV (already dangerous) but users are dead in a few days !!!
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by FPLM » 26/02/10, 13:50

sen-no-sen wrote:One fact is often overshadowed by anti-nuclear agents, namely that in certain regions of the world the level of radioactivity is sometimes equal to or greater than so-called irradiated areas (artificially), this is the example of RAMSAR in Iran and GUARAPARI in Brazil, which are ... seaside resorts.
At RAMSAR, for example, a study showed that the number of genetic abnormalities was lower among the locals, than the national average ...
Apparently radiation up to a certain threshold could have beneficial effects on health, it is past a certain point that these become harmful, even fatal.


Mwais, I am not convinced ... According to which source, with which measure, which concentration, ... It is too vague to draw a conclusion and there is a lot of intoxication on this subject. To say that the Chernobyl site is as heavenly as a seaside resort is a speech that must be assumed. We must remain vigilant anyway.
Anyway, it is well in the spirit of my intervention. Better understand ionizing radiation. This means knowing how to protect oneself from harmful effects, or even exploiting its good sides.

To answer Maximus Leo, first thank you for the tips, then the yes but centralized links so as to be able to give a set of coherent information allowing a good knowledge of the subject. It may exist but I do not know of a source combining all these aspects. And even so, in the same way that we never give enough information on AIDS, nuclear power and its impacts are not known enough by the general public. A fortiori, it is our moral duty to inform future generations about this matter.

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dedeleco, I am happy to see that your eyes are wide open and that your conscience has remained human. The task is very onerous, if not impossible, but we have no other choice. However, try to keep a cool head, even if the slap is too strong. Consider the facts first, we will accuse later. The urgency is to get out of this position of victim. Nuclear energy has been under study for more than a century and its mastery is a reality. This science must simply return to the hands of the "wise" and not the "fools".
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by sen-no-sen » 26/02/10, 14:23

FPLM wrote:
To say that the Chernobyl site is as heavenly as a seaside resort is a speech that must be assumed. We must remain vigilant anyway.


Or did you invent that?
I never said that Chernobyl was a heavenly place !!! : Lol:
By cons research on the natural sites that I have cited and you will see that it is proven.
Nuclear is ecological, economic and strategic nonsense!
But that does not prevent us from taking stock of things, we must not flee certain truths, otherwise we mystify ourselves!
You only have to see the figures put forward on the Chernobyl accident by the various "groups" to understand: for some pro-nuclear: less than 50 dead!
According to the WHO: 212 dead with 4000 to come ...
According to certain anti-nuclear associations: more than 200 ...
Difficult to share things ...

Nevertheless it is clear that spreading such a dangerous technology throughout the world by obscuring technological, natural, economic and strategic risks and pure madness!
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by FPLM » 26/02/10, 15:43

I never said that Chernobyl was a heavenly place. We agree, I like the countries of the east but I would like to spend a vacation there you see.
I believe you on what you read and from your summary, you read well. This is what is written that I do not believe, that is all.
You admit, no way to have the same info twice ...
Conclusion, the less we know the less we are doing ....

To meditate.
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by jlt22 » 22/12/10, 19:44

Niger is also polluted by nuclear power:

The figure of December 20, 2010
200m3 of radioactive sludge
This is what has been released into the environment since December 11 by the Somair uranium mine in Niger, belonging to the Areva company, according to Greenpeace. Two hectares were reportedly contaminated by this leak from three basins. "This new leak shows that bad practices at the Areva uranium mine in Niger continue to threaten the health and safety of the population as well as the environment," said Rianne Teule of Greenpeace Africa.


Source:
http://www.actu-environnement.com/dit-aujourdhui/46.html#xtor=ES-6
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by Christophe » 13/07/12, 12:14

Over one million cubic meters of nuclear waste stored in France

More than 1,3 million cubic meters of nuclear waste of all kinds were stored in France at the end of 2010, a volume expected to double by 2030, according to the inventory published Wednesday July 11 by the National Agency for the Management of radioactive waste (Andra).

From 1,320 million cubic meters at the end of 2010, the overall volume of this waste could indeed reach 2,7 million in 2030, according to new forecasts. "In France, the production of radioactive waste represents the equivalent of 2 kg per year and per inhabitant", underlines Andra in its report.

Available on the Andra website, www.andra.fr, this inventory is "a management tool" and a means "of anticipating storage needs" for the future but also a source of precise information for the citizen, its president, François-Michel Gonnot stressed to the press. .

59% COME FROM POWER PLANTS, 11% FROM MILITARY ACTIVITIES

This radioactive waste comes mainly from nuclear power plants (59%) but also from research laboratories (26%), military activities (11%), the non-nuclear industry (3%) and the medical sector (1%), according to the latest Andra inventory. They do not all present the same risks, insists the public body responsible for designing solutions to store them safely.

The most dangerous are the so-called “high-activity” (HA) waste resulting mainly from the treatment of spent fuel in French nuclear reactors. At the end of 2010, this HA waste represented 2 m700, or only 3% of the total already produced. But they alone contain 0,2% of the total radioactivity of nuclear waste, at the rate of several billion becquerels per gram. Their volume is expected to double by 96.

Next comes "medium-level long-lived" (IL-LL) waste, the half-life of which exceeds 31 years. This waste (40 m000 at the end of 3, 2010% of the total), comes mainly from the cladding surrounding nuclear fuels.

Most of the French stocks consist of low and intermediate level short-lived waste (63% of the total volume for 0,02% of the radioactivity). They are linked to the life of nuclear installations or produced by research or medical laboratories. After being stored in the Manche - a center opened in 1969 and now closed - they have been taken care of in the Aube since 1992.

A NEW LANDFILL CENTER FOR 2025

HA and MA-VL wastes are intended to be buried at great depth in the Industrial Geological Storage Center (Cigeo) being studied by Andra, which should open in 2025 at the edge of the Meuse and Haute-Marne. In the meantime, they are stored at the sites where waste packages are produced, at La Hague (Manche) and Marcoule (Gard).

Resulting from the dismantling of the first graphite power plants or from the old radium industry, low-level long-lived waste constitutes 7% of the total volume and around 0,01% of the radioactivity. They are most often stored on the sites that produced them, for lack of a final solution. They also include thousands of old radioactive objects (radium fountains, radium lightning rod, old fire detectors, etc.).

The rest is made up of scrap metal, concrete and rubble produced by industry or the dismantling of nuclear installations, ie 360 m000 of so-called "very low level" (VLL) waste. The volume of TFA, stored on the surface in the Aube since 3, should reach 2003 million cubic meters in 1,3.


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